• Torture and the Company We Keep

    December 16, 2014

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    Posted in: Democracy, Embassy/State, Military, Post-Constitution America

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    A new poll finds majority of Americans — 59 percent — believe torture was justified after the 9/11 attacks.

    Look around you at the company you keep. The people who support torture, six out of ten, are your neighbors, your co-workers, the people on the bus with you. If you live in Washington DC, they are your children’s friends parents, the people at Safeway, the folks you go to church with.

    Now, let’s have a look at the company the United States keeps.



    Tortures Human Beings

    United States – YES
    ISIS – YES
    North Korea – YES
    China – YES
    Russia – YES
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES


    Uses Medical Personnel to Enhance Torture

    United States – YES
    ISIS – NO
    North Korea – Unknown
    China – Unknown
    Russia – YES
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES


    Maintains Third Country Detention Facilities

    United States – YES (including Poland)
    ISIS – NO
    North Korea – NO
    China – NO
    Russia – NO (once including Poland)
    Nazi Germany – NO (once including Poland)
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – NO


    Kidnaps/Renders People from Other Countries to Torture

    United States – YES
    ISIS – YES
    North Korea – YES
    China – Unknown
    Russia – Unknown
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – NO


    Sends Prisoners to Other Governments for Torture

    United States – YES (including Libya, Egypt and Syria)
    ISIS – NO
    North Korea – NO
    China – NO
    Russia – NO
    Nazi Germany – NO
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – NO


    Holds Prisoners Indefinitely without Trial

    United States – YES
    ISIS – Sort Of
    North Korea – YES
    China – YES
    Russia – YES
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – NO


    Kills Prisoners Under Torture

    United States – YES
    ISIS – YES
    North Korea – YES
    China – YES
    Russia – YES
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES


    Holds Innocents for Torture

    United States – YES
    ISIS – YES
    North Korea – YES
    China – YES
    Russia – YES
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES


    Assassinates Opponents

    United States – YES
    ISIS – YES
    North Korea – YES
    China – YES
    Russia – YES
    Nazi Germany – YES
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES


    Had Some Sort of Reconciliation Once Torture Exposed

    United States – NO
    ISIS – NO
    North Korea – NO
    China – NO
    Russia – Sort Of (Post-Stalin)
    Nazi Germany (Post-War)- YES
    (Post) Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES

    Claims to be a Christian Nation

    United States – YES
    ISIS – Hells NO
    North Korea – NO
    China – NO
    Russia – NO
    Nazi Germany – NO
    Apartheid-Era South Africa – YES, mostly.

    BONUS: Has its State Department write sanctimonious yearly human rights reports about other countries: USA! USA! USA!




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  • Recent Comments

    • Rich Bauer said...

      1

      Birdbrains of a feather –

      “We are a nation whose constitutional commitment to high-flown Enlightenment ideals is undermined by a vein of mendacity that too often makes the whole enterprise feel like an elaborate self-delusion. We have long been such a nation, maybe from the beginning. By day, Thomas Jefferson wrote passionate and glorious prose about the rights of man; by night, he pursued his manly privilege in the slave quarters. While the contemporary Democratic Party still tries to trace its lineage back to Jefferson’s rhetoric and philosophy, his descendant in another direction is torture godfather Dick Cheney. While the onetime telephone company lineman and Wyoming town drunk may not have Jefferson’s way with words or his classical education, he has resolved the Jeffersonian contradiction and overcome the Jeffersonian hypocrisy. He’s like Darth Vader, revealing the true nature of Jefferson’s Anakin Skywalker. “

      12/16/14 4:51 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      12/16/14 5:02 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Rich..from the link..

      quote”In order to save democracy, the torturers had to destroy it. Somewhere in Nietzsche’s discussion of “decadence,” an important concept in his philosophy, he defines it as a quality that leads people or societies to seek their own deterioration and destruction. (Nietzsche was certainly no fan of democracy, but he also noted that decadent societies were characterized by severe social and economic inequality and a lack of moral and intellectual leadership.) I don’t suggest that Dick Cheney and his Fox News acolytes harbor a conscious death-wish; they lack the imagination and insight for that. But their nightmarish fantasies all point toward that outcome. It’s as good an explanation of America’s insane response to 9/11 as any. What kind of society produces physicians who will supervise waterboarding and “rectal feeding,” or psychologists who spin the supervision of a secret torture program into an $80 million government contract? What ideal of America is being preserved by such methods, and will it bear their mark forever? “unquote

      Indeed. Only the DFCOTFTP would allow this..

      12/17/14 12:17 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      God help us. It’s ONLY a matter of time till we sink into the cesspool of Revelations. .

      12/17/14 12:19 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

      5

      IF torture prevented terrorist attacks rather than radicalize more terrorist wannabees, (so the majority of Americans reportedly believe), then why wouldn’t DICKHEAD Cheney and the CIA not want every torture session to be broadcast so potential terrorists would be afraid to meet their end?

      12/17/14 12:27 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      quote”What kind of society produces physicians who will supervise waterboarding and “rectal feeding,” or psychologists who spin the supervision of a secret torture program into an $80 million government contract? “unquote

      One of many observations that should be engraved on Cheney’s and Bush’s tombstones.

      12/17/14 12:41 AM | Comment Link

    • Nic108 said...

      7

      That was a push-poll from the neocon WaPo AKA the Kaplan Prep fishwrap. The hoi-polloi are dumbed down and relentlessly propagandized in this country but they’re not quite that stupid.

      12/17/14 1:44 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Meanwhile, welcome to the United States of Depravity..

      http://www.google.com/webhp?nord=1#nord=1&q=torture+game+3

      bartender..give me a shot of 100prf CONTEMPT.

      12/17/14 12:34 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      on second thought..make it a triple.

      12/17/14 12:35 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      quote”…why wouldn’t DICKHEAD Cheney and the CIA not want every torture session to be broadcast so potential terrorists would be afraid to meet their end?”unquote

      Give it five years and they will. Only it won’t be “terrorists” being tortured. It’ll be good ole Murkan entertainment in the guise of sports..aka Roman style…The Torture Games

      http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/sport/sport-stadium-architecture/index.html?eref=edition

      I can see the dollar signs in the eyes of the corporatacracy as I type. Now, excuse me..I have an appointment with Revelations.

      12/17/14 12:44 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      Speaking for the stupid – Hillary Clinton:

      “Today we can say again, in a loud and clear voice, the United States should never condone and practice torture anywhere in the world,” said Clinton, adding that it should be reflected in “both policy and law … if that requires new legislation, then Congress should work with President Obama to quickly enact it and it should not be an issue of partisan politics.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture

      The boob would still exonerate anyone who was just following orders.

      12/17/14 12:46 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      12/17/14 12:59 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      The mark of the beast – sick-sick-sick

      http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

      12/17/14 2:40 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      “The mark of the beast – ”

      Indeed. Notwithstanding the “Collateral Damage” video, if ever there was an indictment of the US military, this should be it. Unfortunately, this atrocity wasn’t the only war crimes that were perpetrated by our depraved “men in uniform”…

      https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/16/american-torture-things-still-dont-know/

      While I’m already at the point of nauseousness, I can’t help think of that percentage of ‘murka that still thinks the US military is “protecting our freedoms”. That’s when I go over the edge into massive projectile vomiting.

      bartender..a bottle of PeptoBismal please…and a shot of Anti-Stench too.

      12/17/14 4:02 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      ya know, it’s getting really difficult to keep Vicks Vap-O-Rub around my nasal passages 24/7…aka Silence of the Lambs. Now if only there were a way to LOOK at this without vomiting…

      http://tinyurl.com/pe6oy5r

      12/17/14 4:24 PM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...

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      “Hillary Clinton:

      “Today we can say again, in a loud and clear voice, the United States should never condone and practice torture anywhere in the world,” said Clinton, adding that it should be reflected in “both policy and law … if that requires new legislation, then Congress should work with President Obama to quickly enact it and it should not be an issue of partisan politics.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture

      The boob would still exonerate anyone who was just following orders.”

      What a joke. Mrs Clinton couldnt even be concerned that whistleblowers, aka American Citizens who worked in HER Department of State, were being denied First Amendment or Due Process under her watch and she is going to stand up — of course after nothing was said the whole of her tenure — and suddenly be concerned about the fate of non-citizens??

      What about robo-signing surveillance approval of the EU and UN? There’s two ‘lesser’ cases Mrs Clinton or her staff could have done something about and — CHOSE to remain quiet. Right

      12/17/14 4:34 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      If silly Hillary is really serious – NOT – that “the United States should never condone and practice torture anywhere in the world,” then these sick photos should be shown with the playing of our national anthem …just so we never forget…again…because we were just following orders…and WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE.

      12/17/14 4:40 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      With one hand over your heart, the other hand with fingers crossed behind your back, sing “Our Tortured, Strangled Banner”

      “Oh, say can you see by the prison cell’s dimming light

      What so proudly we hailed at the water-tortured screaming.

      Keep US safe from these half-humans behind iron and max the prisoner’s fright,

      O’er these stadiums we watched with the video streaming

      And the hot poker’s red glare, their balls bursting in air,

      Gave proof through the night that our evil was still there.

      Oh, say does that tortured, strangled banner yet wave

      O’er the land of the free to torture and kill?

      12/17/14 5:01 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      Our torture -forward-looking leader just can’t let go of the past…when it’s his:

      “President Obama revealed how he was mistaken for a valet and a waiter before he became President in a deeply personal interview on race relations in the U.S.

      “There’s no black male my age, who’s a professional, who hasn’t come out of a restaurant and is waiting for their car and somebody didn’t hand them their car keys,” the President told People magazine, confirming that he had experienced being taken for a valet.

      The President was joined by the First Lady for the magazine interview, “How We Deal with Our Own Racist Experiences.”

      12/17/14 5:20 PM | Comment Link

    • Helen Marshall said...

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      Thought Russia did call itself a Christian nation…at least as much as the US does (i.e. we pretend we are multi-faith but we double down on the Christianity…and as for skeptics, fuggetit, you can’t run for office in seven states even now if you are not a “believer.”

      12/17/14 6:12 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      quote: fuggetit, you can’t run for office in seven states even now if you are not a “believer.” unquote

      Shades of seperation of state and religion. right. Give it five years.

      First they came for the heritics.

      12/18/14 2:06 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Kyzl Orda said…

      “Hillary Clinton:

      “Today we can say again, in a loud and clear voice, the United States should never condone and practice torture anywhere in the world,”…

      Hahahahahahahahaha! Excuse me while I revisit a similar speech…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTec11reoIw

      Ray Mcgovern should get the Nobel. Clinton is a monument to monumental shame.

      12/18/14 2:17 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      Clinton, Christie. What difference does it make?

      12/18/14 12:11 PM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...

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      Thanks, Pitch. Yes that’s a glaring double standard on being pro-human rights. Mrs Clinton stands by quietly watching on as Mr McGovern, a vet, is assaulted for wearing an anti-war tee shirt (which isnt it the same war Mrs Clinton claimed to have opposed??) and ON TOP OF THAT, put the guy on a BOLO list???

      But candidate Clinton is for human rights, just ignore all that and never mind if it’s you next

      12/18/14 4:52 PM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

      25

      ~ 60 %? So Gruber Was RIGHT!

      12/19/14 1:09 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

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      If Obama (and Hillary) thinks nobody should be punished for following orders in the USA torture program, why did he just cut Social Security payments to Nazis?

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/18/obama-nazi-benefits_n_6349964.html

      12/19/14 12:42 PM | Comment Link

    • Estrella said...

      27

      Excuse me, Mr. Van Buren, but I wonder why you have omitted the United States client state, Israel, which fits perfectly in each category except the last, as it claims to be a Jewish nation.

      12/20/14 10:37 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

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      Good point but I was trying to choose example countries that Americans might be offended by, not proud of…

      12/20/14 2:04 PM | Comment Link

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