• Casually Violating the Fourth Amendment

    June 23, 2013

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    The Washington Post published “Five ways to stop the NSA from spying on you,” a set of how-to tips for the average public to use Tor, remove the battery from your smart phone to prevent tracking and some software for private phone calls. It is not comprehensive, but it would serve as a guide to learning more.

    Leaving aside the question of whether any of these methods work, has it come to this? A major newspaper publishing tips on how you can make it harder for your own government to spy on you?

    The Fourth Amendment clearly states:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Read it again: no exceptions, no free pass for terrorism, no provision for secret courts.

    Read it again: No allowances for blanket vacuuming up of all internet media for all persons. The Fourth unambiguously requires that a warrant be issued that includes the name of the person and things to be seized.

    The National Security Agency acknowledged that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls. Meanwhile, a constitutional law professor who is not Barack Obama schools you on why the NSA surveillance is unconstitutional. As Snowden left for Russia, the U.S. had the nerve to lecture Hong Kong about following the rule of law.

    Here’s what happened one time ago when the government went looking into someone with nothing to hide.

    We have fallen and can’t get up.

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    • Andrey said...


      Let’s see, what was it? “In Soviet Russia TV is watching you”? I mean, dear me, wasn’t stuff like that supposed to happen only in “evil empires” and Third world dictatorships?

      06/23/13 8:36 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      According to the Feds, any US citizen using these countermeasures will have their communications permanently recorded because they are “suspected terrorists”…like General Petraeus. That’s why the Feds went after him.


      06/23/13 1:18 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      The rule of law America aka the “dumbest country on the plant” should remember is “power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

      06/23/13 1:44 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      “…dear me, wasn’t stuff like that supposed to happen only in “evil empires” and Third world dictatorships?”

      Well actually yes. So what’s your question? Or are you assumming America hasn’t become one of those?

      06/23/13 2:07 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      Around 15 years ago when I was residing temporarily in Yeltsin’s Russia, I was mildly irritated but mostly amused by the frequent sounds of clicks and muffled voices speaking Russian in the background of my innocuous personal phone calls – but I accepted such petty surveillance as something I simply had to expect in a country just recently emerging out of Communist tyranny. Also, I understood that as a foreign guest in Russia I had to leave behind any expectations of my own country’s civil liberties or rule of law. Mostly I just found it contemptible.

      And now the US government is doing the same thing, exponentially, to its own citizens. Based on my experiences in Russia, my contempt for the current US government’s surveillance regime is exponentially greater than I ever had for Russia.
      At least 1990s Russia had the mitigating factor of having been in the habit of various levels of tyranny for the past, oh, 800 years. What’s America’s excuse?

      06/23/13 3:39 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...


      quote:”What’s America’s excuse?”unquote

      the Kardashians.

      06/23/13 3:41 PM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...


      MLCT and Andrey, thank you for the memories lol. I remember coughing and sneezing in the backdrop when I lived in a nearby place and this was about 10 years ago. I think in my case there was worry of American missionaries, which I was not. My communications had to be boring to the guys following along: “what warm hospitality” or “the students didnt do their homework, again.”

      It was never clear how monitoring garnered anything of value. People will tell you though how you can avoid the monitoring or make the most of it, and whom you need to be careful talking with. Rich mentioned Broadwell and Petreaus’s lovesick work-around to NSA and the unnamed agencies, and i mentioned Khomeini or other groups previously using tapes or cds

      Spying is as old as the Bible but profits have soared exponentially more than 30 silver coins. There is a problem with the government doing this and also private intel companies, who are hired because they are supposed to be above the law or protected by some of the laws. In one of John Oliver’s “Good News-You’re Not Paranoid” segments, he jokes the sin is not that the government broke the law, it’s that the law was made post hoc to protect its officials.

      It’s still really hard to correct incorrect data on personal information collected by the credit agencies and marketers, whose collections are shared with the government as well. These guys then sell our information amongst themselves. We dont collect a dime on our own information, even if we wanted to sell it but we dont have that option to reserve it for our privacy. And privacy law only gets touted it seems to protect the wrong doers or accused from replying to legitimate questions

      06/23/13 4:45 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...


      This assault on the 4th Amendment NOTWITHSTANDING….

      MEANWHILE, Obomination is getting his Greatest Gift Ever ready for the final assault on our nations SOVEREIGNTY..


      teri, over at Random Thoughts has been exposing this abomination for a long time. This is the final piece in the TOTALATARIANISM-R-US puzzle, which will interface with all this CORPORATE surveillance shit, thereby completing the takeover of the entire planet by corporations.


      Youbetcha..the Ministry of Truth Kafka trials coming to a neighborhood near you soon. Sponsored by one of our benevolent Corporate friends who only have your best interests at heart. right.

      Folks, I never could have imagined witnessing the
      incomprehensible depth of evil that is overwhelming humanity in my lifetime. I always took Revelations with a grain of salt. No more. It’s happening before our very eyes in real time.
      Orwell must have time traveled. Or had vision so real that he was compelled to tell the entire world what was coming. And to most people, it “COULDN’T HAPPEN HERE” …at least in the good ole U.S. of A. Well, from the looks of things..he made a small miscalculation in time, and a massive miscalculation in the depth of psychopathic authoritarianism being initiated as I type.
      At this juncture, the question..WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?…needs to be on State sized billboards all over this nation. To me, there is only one answer at this point, and you know what it is as well as I do. And so do thousands of other human beings on this planet as well.
      While a certain portion of our population in this country couldn’t give a crap and are comfortable in their little abodes watching the latest Kardashian, Slutwives of Hollywood and ‘murican Idolworship bullshit, there’s a building reservoir of critical thinking gun owners who see the writing on the wall and ain’t wasting their time wondering what to do. They are DOING IT. Make no mistake. The ruling class has declared war on the 99% and they are about to unleash the first massive volley by virtue of aligning the Secret Service with local law enforcement. Fortunately, a lot of local LEO’s(Law Enforcement Officer) ain’t taking this shit laying down. Case in point..COLORADO.

      Unbeknownst by those who are unenlightened to the planned confiscation of guns by virtue of creeping gun-control legislation, Colorado has recently become the focal point of those collectivist who worship the State Monopoly of Violence, as they’ve passed some of the most draconian gun-control measures in the country. Unfortunately for them, a growing community of county Sheriffs declared they would NOT enforce these anti 2 Amendment measures as a county Sheriff is the most powerful LEO in the nation. At least in HIS county, as he is ELECTED…not appointed. In response, the governor of Colorado, in secret, requested the Secret Service to sign a “memorandum of cooperation” thereby giving the Feds authorization for LOCAL.. LEO AUTHORITY.. AGAINST..the Sheriffs. Well, ..I’d submit the SHIT is about to hit the proverbial FAN. And I mean that in NO uncertain terms. To the point, on one of the Colorado Gun Rights forums a few days ago, a FLEA(Federal Law Enforcement Agent), posted what he THOUGHT, would deter those who would ever think about escalating a confrontation with a FLEA by virtue of seeing the ACTUAL document that ALL Federal agents use to define, by “policy” the level of FORCE that the FLEA may use in response to a level of a DEFINED escalation by anyone whom the FLEA has initiated a confrontation.
      As it shows, a FLEA can LEGALLY KILL you for any reason HE deems. And like his warning says..MAKE NO MISTAKE…they WILL. Hence the FBI agent pumping SEVEN bullets into an unarmed man a few weeks ago…amongst HUNDREDS of other murdering episodes you will never hear about on MSM.
      Here is a lesson in “How to not be KILLED by a Federal Law Enforcement Agent”. You might need it in the future.


      What’s that tell you about our country, hmmmmm?

      Well, if you are interested, read the comment section. If those who replied are any indication…I believe those who would worship the Monopoly on Violence, are about to receive a great big lesson in the Law of Unintended Consequences. A BIG one. Did I mention shit is about to hit..well, judge for yourself. All I know is these sadistic motherfuckers are out of control and running amok. Law enforcement my ass. Murdering Monopoly of Violence is a massive understatement. After all..that unarmed guy they just murdered with 7 bullets is the latest living proof.

      06/23/13 5:01 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      @ Kyzl, I especially appreciate this acute bit you wrote:

      “Spying is as old as the Bible but profits have soared exponentially more than 30 silver coins.”

      Yes and as you’re alluding to how Judas Iscariot spied upon Jesus for 30 tetradrachms – (gloss, I’m a numismatist so I know what kind of coins they were, total around 15 ounces of silver, around 750 Dollars in today’s terms) – you’ve hit upon what the essence of spying has ALWAYS been!

      For thousands of years, espionage has never won or lost a war. Wars are won or lost based on openly available information, never on espionage. The essence of espionage AND surveillance has ALWAYS been of the nature of Judas Iscariot and his paymasters: “Give us some dirt on this man so we can have personal power over him! If you have no dirt on him, then just make some up! Twist his words!”

      On that note, as for the common retort, “If you’ve done nothing wrong, why should you worry about surveillance?” Here’s Jesus’ answer, at his trial:

      “I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple…and in secret have I said nothing.” John 18:20…

      …So, Jesus was never secretive, and he never did anything wrong. He never even opposed the government, as he said “render to Caesar what is Caesar’s!” He never advocated violent rebeliion. But nonetheless he was arrested, tortured and murdered as an “enemy of the state”, because of how his words and deeds were twisted by liars purchased by the state.

      06/23/13 5:09 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      The abuse of power by idiots like Hoover and Nixon will be considered amateurish compared to absolute power “patriots” have made possible for “intelligent” psychopaths to come.

      06/23/13 5:13 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      David “patriot” Gregory wins the prize for idiot of the day: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/david-gregory-glenn-greenwald-crime_n_3486654.html

      06/23/13 5:17 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Look on the bright side: when the extent of the NSA violation of our privacy is revealed, the criminals are already behind an electric fence and the doors are locked. All we have to do is tell the guards to turn around and stop them from escaping.

      06/23/13 5:29 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...


      ps, my my my, even Martin Luther King got a gift from the head honcho of the Monopoly of Violence crew himself. Ole Hoover just couldn’t stand it. And neither could Kennedy. whudda thunk


      Dear Mr. King. Please kill yourself…or else.

      priceless..these thugs never quit. And now, ole James Comey of FBI coverup fame himself gets to take the reigns of the Monopoly of Violence. You know..the one who..well, never mind. I already posted it here a few weeks ago. Let’s just call him..ahem…a fucking criminal. Damn..I hate to keep saying it but..whudda thunk.

      06/23/13 5:31 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...


      hahahahahahahahaha! These USG buffoons never cease to fucking amaze me…

      “lets write some talking points to..you know…make the people think were upstanding politicians that only have their best interest at heart while illegally scooping every bit of trash we can get on em. They’ll eat it up. As usual.

      from the you-have-to-be-kidding-me dept

      ya know, these dimwits are so fucking stupid, they make imbeciles look like Einsteins.

      They might as well pass out talking points that say….


      06/23/13 5:41 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      Not to belabour my Biblical analogies (but then why not? They’re a major part and parcel of America’s cultural heritage, along with Shakespeare et al) – well, now it also occurs to me that the name “Satan” means “The Accuser”.

      In other words, in traditional Christian theology, Satan personifies (and leads) all powers who become obsessed with finding and using dirt on others in order to control others. And ALWAYS what Satan and his lackeys do – being liars by nature – is not merely to make up accusations out of thin air, but rather to mix truth with lies. And regardless of whether you take that literally OR metaphorically, it remains a truthful warning about the essence of surveillance, ALWAYS ending up in half-truthful accusations for the sake of personal power!

      Cf from the Russian movie “Burnt By The Sun”:


      06/23/13 5:43 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      What we have here is a failure by the media to communicate to our fearless leader to stop spying on US.

      Obama-nation – devoid of any pretense of liberty.

      06/23/13 5:46 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      I think many here have forgotten that “democracy” is something one must triumph over. Democracy is something abhorrent to those who seek power. America’s problem is that it has set up a system of governance with power positions which only attract the pathological. Power is only sought by the already corrupted- it itself does not corrupt. We currently have a pathological POTUS and have had for generations.

      06/23/13 5:48 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      John Poole wrote, with obvious sarcasm:

      “I think many here have forgotten that “democracy” is something one must triumph over. Democracy is something abhorrent to those who seek power.”

      Actually, no. Maniacal lovers of power have always been able to exploit the popular passions of the majority, turning popular democracy into brutal tyranny. For example:


      06/23/13 6:28 PM | Comment Link

    • jo6pac said...


      Yes. The Constitution (Article VI, clause 3) requires that Senators and Representatives take an oath of office to support the Constitution. The specific language of the oath has changed several times since it was first administered in 1789. It is set by statute (5 U.S.C. 3331), enacted by Congress. It now reads:

      I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

      I guess they must have their fingers crossed;)

      06/23/13 6:51 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Obama-nation: “President Barack Obama’s unprecedented initiative, known as the Insider Threat Program, is sweeping in its reach. It has received scant public attention even though it extends beyond the U.S. national security bureaucracies to most federal departments and agencies nationwide, including the Peace Corps, the Social Security Administration and the Education and Agriculture departments. It emphasizes leaks of classified material, but catchall definitions of “insider threat” give agencies latitude to pursue and penalize a range of other conduct.

      Government documents reviewed by McClatchy illustrate how some agencies are using that latitude to pursue unauthorized disclosures of any information, not just classified material. They also show how millions of federal employees and contractors must watch for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers and could face penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report them. Leaks to the media are equated with espionage.

      “Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States,” says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department strategy for the program that was obtained by McClatchy.

      …except when the Obama-nation does it.

      06/23/13 7:25 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      We have a new winner of the Biggest Idiot of the Day contest – Douchebag Diane Feinstein, in an appearance on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” said she thought it was a “very big surprise” that China didn’t arrest Snowden when it had the chance.

      “I had actually thought that China would see this as an opportunity to improve relations, and extradite him to the United States,” she said.

      California, you must be so PROUD.

      06/23/13 7:35 PM | Comment Link

    • jo6pac said...


      California, you must be so PROUD

      Yes we are but not of di-fi or boxer.

      06/23/13 7:47 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      As much as I (a native-born American, seventh-generation on one line) understand and empathise with the above comments of our fellows – all evidently good Americans who remember what America used to be…

      …nonetheless, I continue to perceive an essential weakness in most of my fellow “Wemeantwell” commenters, and it comes down to this:

      The hard fact is that the reason WHY the “American Experiment” has failed, is because it was built on sand. And the sand it was built on, was the very temporary, fashionable belief in “REASON” – the superstition of the Modern Age.

      And now I’m here to tell you, alas: Reason is impotent to save Mankind, because Reason IS OF MANKIND!

      Get it? It OUGHT to be obvious! Man cannot save Man from the nature of Man through any concepts made BY Man! And among those concepts is the superstitious belief in Man’s “Reason”, upon which the USA was founded.

      It really does come down to this, LOGICALLY! If we posit, as America’s founders did, that Human “Reason” IS ESSENTIALLY GOOD, then we submit our ideas of “good” to the whims of Humans…

      …which is how and why the US Government has recently rationalised torture and assassinations and abolition of the Bill of Rights.

      So yes it really does come down, ultimately, to Faith. In WHOM do we have personal faith? MY personal faith is in Jesus Christ, who was murdered by the state because the state hated him for telling the truth.

      But there’s always an alternative to loving Truth more than Power, the alternative is THIS! Well, if we love the power of the American President more than we love God… ;-):


      06/23/13 9:29 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      06/23/13 9:38 PM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...


      Dear MLCT, “Burnt by the Sun” was some film. Very moving. Have you seen ‘Clear Skies/Chistoy Nebo”? About a vet who was a prisoner of war, wrongly blacklisted because of it losing his career, and goes through a dark period in his life. But he still loves his country through it all. It was supposed to have been a controversial film at the time, tackling the state view its pows were sympathizers just because they had been captured. Kinda like how the neocons try to ignore Bowe Bergdahl’s situation or Warren Weinstein

      You have to be a numismatist to be able to spell tetra- *erm, fudges it*. I’ve had that part of the gospels in my mind with this scandal. That and the story of Job too, for some reason

      Peter, BTW the link you gave up above on the wiretapping of Dr MLK has a petition to the White House (WH) on behalf of Snowden – 100,000 signatures were needed and its already exceeded that – link is below taking one directly to the petition and its still collecting signatures. It asks he receive a full pardon.

      Gonna be interesting to see if the WH does respond and given this weekend’s events. Very fascinating what went down. It’s ironic how Americans have been hit with our laws being made irrelevant just when we need them, and now the DoJ, which has too often turned a blind eye to upholding the law, is getting a taste of its own medicine

      Someone say Diane Feinstein? With any luck, she will go back to sleep at her desk. It’s a shame when some of our politicians have held office longer than alot of Middle Eastern potentates


      06/24/13 4:52 AM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      @ Kyzl, “Have you seen ‘Clear Skies/Chistoy Nebo”?

      Not yet, but I’ll search for it now, thanks!

      Meanwhile, here’s a short video of the State Department’s response to Snowden’s escape:


      06/24/13 9:33 AM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...


      06/24/13 12:31 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      “While the U.S. waited for Hong Kong to respond to its request to detain Snowden, the administration said delay could hurt diplomatic relations and “raise questions about Hong Kong’s commitment to the rule of law.”

      Thou doth protest too much.

      06/24/13 1:22 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      When the abuse of NSA power to spy on US is painfully evident to the useful idiots in the media and Congress, the biggest idiot,Condi Rice-erroni, will be leading the chorus – “Who could have foreseen…?”

      06/24/13 2:48 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...


      Kyzl, HA!

      My house has been full of riotous laughter all day as my wife and I watch the State Department acting like Wile E Coyote over and over and over again…:


      06/24/13 3:31 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...


      ya’ll’s gonna kill me. ..geeezuslord..uh..speaking of which..

      quote:”So yes it really does come down, ultimately, to Faith. In WHOM do we have personal faith? MY personal faith is in Jesus Christ, who was murdered by the state because the state hated him for telling the truth.”unquote

      For telling the truth. Youbetcha. whudda thunk.
      Meanwhile, the Death State carries on their century’s old crusade of persecution..in real time..from Hong Kong to Cuba..er.. Ecuador…er..?????

      hey, anyone got a link to the plane’s cam? 🙂

      just kidding…maybe. First time in history the world can watch a fools comedy performed from continent to continent in real time, while munching popcorn. ah yes, the TAHEE VAHEE at it’s best. Sponsored by our friends at BoozAllen..youbetcha

      Meanwhile, the surveillance shell game carnee, General Alexander, continues to baffle the populace while stealing their wallets before their very eyes.


      Keep your eye on the surveillance pea. Meanwhile, he’s expanding the Cyber-state prison to biblical proportions while the populace pays for their own civil rights doom.


      youbetcha..mockery..Bonesaw/Velocity ..the Matrix in real time. Meanwhile..the latest Kardashian escapades keep the populace from discovering they are about to be pawned…forever…and pay for it too…forever.

      Jesus Christ was living proof.

      06/24/13 6:01 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...


      I’d sure like to know who names these abominations.

      The other thing I’d like to know..is how those thousands of NSA/BoozAllen whatever employees look in the mirror… now the Snowden did.

      06/24/13 6:09 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Not surprised the “usual suspects” including DiFi and Hillary who went along with the Iraqi Freedom invasion have no problem with Spies R US. At least these idiots are consistently wrong.


      06/25/13 1:54 PM | Comment Link

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      06/26/13 4:38 PM | Comment Link

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