• When Obama Said “There is no NSA spying on Americans,” He Lied.

    September 9, 2013

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    Posted in: Democracy

    “There is no spying on Americans,” said Obama to talk show host Jay Leno in August.

    He lied.

    In the latest revelations about the extent of NSA spying on Americans, we now learn that Obama secretly (of course) won permission from a secret surveillance court in 2011 to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency’s use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans’ communications in its massive databases.

    In addition, the court extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years — and or more, under special (secret) circumstances. The court order, as now available on the web, still contains significant “blacked out” sections, suggesting there may be even more of concern not yet known to Americans (who are referred to as “targets” in the actual document.)

    What had not been previously acknowledged, according to the Washington Post, is that the secret court in 2008 imposed an explicit ban — at the government’s request — on those kinds of searches, that officials in 2011 got the court to lift the bar and that the search authority has been used.

    The Post goes on to nail it:

    Together the permission to search and to keep data longer expanded the NSA’s authority in significant ways without public debate or any specific authority from Congress. The administration’s assurances rely on legalistic definitions of the term “target” that can be at odds with ordinary English usage. The enlarged authority is part of a fundamental shift in the government’s approach to surveillance: collecting first, and protecting Americans’ privacy later.

    DNI Clapper lied to Congress when he said the NSA does not spy on Americans. The President of the United States lied to his own people when he said the NSA does not spy on Americans. That’s all for today, because hell, that’s enough.



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  • Recent Comments

    • Rich Bauer said...

      1

      What else can he say? Imagine the black file the NSA has on him.

      09/9/13 1:16 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...

      2

      Peter wrote in conclusion: “That’s all for today, because hell, that’s enough.”

      That reminds me of how Orwell said, “We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”

      In my youth (around the same years as Peter’s youth), we Americans used to mock, scorn and excoriate Communist nations’ leaders for their patent, obvious dishonest. The likes of Mao and Brezhnev were jokes to us, for how they constantly told outrageous, obvious lies in which their peoples were pressured to pretend to believe.

      And now America has sunk to the same condition.

      09/9/13 4:29 PM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

      3

      For some younger readers, think of this like when you heard that Kim Jong Un invented golf, or the jet engine, those kind of claims.

      09/9/13 6:03 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...

      4

      But then a difference between Obama’s America and Brezhnev’s Russia, is that in Brezhnev’s Soviet Union, less than one percent of the population were ever spied on at all. In the USSR of the Cold War (1946-1991), only a fraction of one percent of Soviet citizens ever had their phones tapped by their government.

      Kind of like America in Nixon’s time, which looks like “the good old days” in comparison to now! Cf:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxPaHKqG1RI

      09/9/13 4:38 PM | Comment Link

    • Happy Blog Friend said...

      5

      I’d like to see a master list somewhere of every official statement about spying that was later proven to be a lie.

      09/9/13 7:31 PM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

      6

      It’d be a much shorter list if you just wrote down the ones that were true.

      09/9/13 8:16 PM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...

      7

      “For some younger readers, think of this like when you heard that Kim Jong Un invented golf, or the jet engine, those kind of claims”

      Or like when you assumed that Obama’s magical dark skin meant hope and change. As America has substituted “racism” for “sin” – acknowledging no evils other than racism, sexism and homophobia – America’s fetish of Obama’s dark skin is equally as fucking stupid as North Koreans’ worship of Dear Leader.

      09/10/13 5:26 AM | Comment Link

    • meloveconsullongtime said...

      8

      Actually Americans are a lot more fucking stupid than North Koreans, because no one forces Americans to indulge in their lurid fantasies of Obama’s dark skin saving their souls.

      09/10/13 5:27 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

      9

      09/10/13 3:25 PM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

      10

      I’ll go with “fool.” Anyone opposed?

      09/10/13 3:34 PM | Comment Link

    • jo6pac said...

      11

      wemeantwell said… 10 I’ll go with “fool.” Anyone opposed? –

      Me, Me, Me, I oppose. He is only doing what he told by the neo-conn elite. This time they trapped their own guy;)

      09/10/13 6:26 PM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...

      12

      “No, Sir … not wittingly..” *insert image of DNI Clapper nervously rubbing forehead*

      Those were DNI Clapper’s exact words at the March Congressional hearing when Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) asked if the NSA collected any kind of data on Americans

      But per one of the violations discussed in today’s WaPo article, a Judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court remarked the NSA’s rational for violating a court order “strains credulity” but the matter persisted for some years. (article linked below)

      It’s also come out recently that NSA collected information was turned over to the DEA for domestic American cases in which defendents didnt have the benefit of knowing or accessing the source of claims against them. So much for a case of “not wittingly”.

      Or that the guilty often seem to get off scott free while we have a fair number of people convicted for crimes in our prisons and it later turns out they were innocent and should not have been put in prison. For some there’s the belated benefit of DNA testing, but in the murky world of drugs and whatever, the informers the government uses have dubious issues or agendas. Not to mention agents looking for a quick promotion or under pressure to just close a case or, produce results of some kind to help a legal team where one of its members has plans to run for office. Use of such evidence is a clear Constitutional violation, even if it will benefit a fraction of the accused, it is still a violation

      There’s another concern here and sorta been touched on in the media but not very — who else is accessing this information the NSA and other agencies use?? What other avenues are they exchanging our personal information with?

      Links:
      1. “Good News! You’re Not Paranoid – NSA Spying” segment by John Oliver:
      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-june-10-2013/good-news–you-re-not-paranoid—nsa-oversight

      2. “Declassified Court Documents Highlight NSA Violations” in today’s Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/declassified-court-documents-highlight-nsa-violations/2013/09/10/60b5822c-1a4b-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html?hpid=z3

      09/10/13 11:22 PM | Comment Link

    • pitchfork said...

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      “There is no spying on Americans,” said Obama to talk show host Jay Leno in August.

      He lied.

      Right. He lied. Any questions? If so..please address them to the Ministry of Truth, care of the White House.

      sheezushcrist. If lies were weather, Obnoxious would be a planet class 40 day flood.

      09/13/13 11:12 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...

      14

      Hey, We’re Not Corrupt. We’re Incompetent

      Remember pinhead Condi Rice-erroni’s lamebrain excuse about the government’s failure to prevent the hijacking of planes on 9-11, “Who could have foreseen terrorists flying planes into buildings?” That should have scared the shit out of most Americans. Was the government that incompetent or just corrupt to use such a lamebrain excuse? We may have an answer because the government has trumped Rice-erroni’s non mea culpa in the NSA domestic spying.

      According to the “intelligence” community, the NSA program was not corrupt because no one could have foreseen it was so incompetent. The intelligence community’s defense was that these violations were occurring because no one had a full grasp of how the bulk collection program actually worked.

      If we are really to believe incompetence was the cause of the NSA domestic spying program violations then it is time we terminate the NSA as a clear and present danger to American privacy. WE know not what we do? Who the hell is in charge of this fiasco?

      Of course, incompetence is a predictable fallback position of a corrupt government caught in lies. Hell, the government could give Walter White a run for his money. Both are in denial. Who could have foreseen this Breaking Bad? Not US if you ask H.L.

      09/17/13 11:52 AM | Comment Link

    • jon jones said...

      15

      BOYCOTT USA

      ALL PRODUCTS NOT JUST TECH

      WAKE UP WORLD THIS PROBLEM IS HUGE

      It is very simple to fix this whole problem, and that problem seems to always be the USA. Everyone in the world and even the USA needs to boycott itself. They also need to know where there data is going and ensure servers that do not touch USA. This is very simple to do but does have a cost.

      The alternative, do nothing. If you do nothing, you may ask what is the USA doing with your data. They are using it to make money plain and simple. It is not for terrorism or any other grand adventure. It is to take the worlds money plain and simple just like playing poker and knowing your opponents hand. If a company is ignorant enough to not secure their business without the USA and NSA spying, then using them is a sure fire way of destroying your business by espionage and stealing.

      Microsoft has back doors to all its products. This includes getting rid of all microsoft products like windows and replacing it with Linux. People around the world should start writing for open source code to help linux work for the world. All companies should provide tech support and drivers for Linux.

      Cisco routers have back doors to all their products and allow the USA companies in the know to learn secrets to your business.

      This does not mean simply just use new encryption software. These companies built back doors and even your best encryption is not safe. Worse anyone can access your networks once the back-doors are released to the hackers.

      Once trust is lost it is lost forever, and these corrupt American companies do not deserve another penny. They got funding from the USA government to take your information, and what should piss you off is they have it all right now. You have to change the game of your world business today.

      Educate the next generation and your business partners. No companies in the USA on your servers period. Boycott Microsoft, Skype, XBOX, Verizon, Google, Cisco, Apple, Facebook, Yahoo, AOL, Level3, Paltalk and there are 50 companies total so far look them up.

      Follow the work of the BRICS nations (Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa) and Europe and start to build a wall around the USA. Even Australia, you need to switch sides and abandon the USA for good. For every dollar you refuse the greater the world becomes and the more money you keep in your pocket. This includes, don’t forget, boycotting the rest of all businesses in the USA. Make the USA hurt until it turns against itself and stops screwing with the world.

      Sincerely,

      Pissed On So Many Levels

      Read more at http://dottech.org/126462/indian-government-bans-use-gmail-thanks-nsa-spying/#IFPs4iwskr4gsccG.99

      12/10/13 1:39 AM | Comment Link

    • brics nation said...

      16

      BOYCOTT USA

      ALL PRODUCTS NOT JUST TECH

      WAKE UP WORLD THIS PROBLEM IS HUGE

      It is very simple to fix this whole problem, and that problem seems to always be the USA. Everyone in the world and even the USA needs to boycott itself. They also need to know where there data is going and ensure servers that do not touch USA. This is very simple to do but does have a cost.

      The alternative, do nothing. If you do nothing, you may ask what is the USA doing with your data. They are using it to make money plain and simple. It is not for terrorism or any other grand adventure. It is to take the worlds money plain and simple just like playing poker and knowing your opponents hand. If a company is ignorant enough to not secure their business without the USA and NSA spying, then using them is a sure fire way of destroying your business by espionage and stealing.

      Microsoft has back doors to all its products. This includes getting rid of all microsoft products like windows and replacing it with Linux. People around the world should start writing for open source code to help linux work for the world. All companies should provide tech support and drivers for Linux.

      Cisco routers have back doors to all their products and allow the USA companies in the know to learn secrets to your business.

      This does not mean simply just use new encryption software. These companies built back doors and even your best encryption is not safe. Worse anyone can access your networks once the back-doors are released to the hackers.

      Once trust is lost it is lost forever, and these corrupt American companies do not deserve another penny. They got funding from the USA government to take your information, and what should piss you off is they have it all right now. You have to change the game of your world business today.

      Educate the next generation and your business partners. No companies in the USA on your servers period. Boycott Microsoft, Skype, XBOX, Verizon, Google, Cisco, Apple, Facebook, Yahoo, AOL, Level3, Paltalk and there are 50 companies total so far look them up.

      Follow the work of the BRICS nations (Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa) and Europe and start to build a wall around the USA. Even Australia, you need to switch sides and abandon the USA for good. For every dollar you refuse the greater the world becomes and the more money you keep in your pocket. This includes, don’t forget, boycotting the rest of all businesses in the USA. Make the USA hurt until it turns against itself and stops screwing with the world.

      Sincerely,

      Pissed On So Many Levels

      12/10/13 7:15 AM | Comment Link

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