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Kerry Tells Snowden to “Man Up” and Come Home
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who at this point has all the credibility of a minor Kardashian just out of rehab, somehow was allowed on national television to say this:If Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States, we’ll have him on a flight today. [He] should stand up in the United States and make his case to the American people… A patriot would not run away… Let him come back and make his case. If he cares so much about America and he believes in America, he should trust the American system of justice.
A near-complete failure as Secretary of State (if you are not sure, read this), Kerry is apparently relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear. Did Kerry think he might persuade Snowden to take up the challenge and fly back to the U.S.? Maybe meet Kerry in the Octagon mano-a-mano? No, Kerry sounded much more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat.
And Kerry should know better. He once, perhaps briefly, was also brave enough to act on conscience.
Kerry’s Fall from Courage
In the 1960s, Kennedy-esque, Kerry went from Yale to Vietnam to fight in what he came to see as a lost war. He became one of the more poignant voices raised in protest by antiwar veterans. He threw away his medals, no doubt causing some pundit of the day to claim he had harmed America in the eyes of its enemies, perhaps disgraced his fellow service members. Four decades after his Vietnam experience, he has achieved what will undoubtedly be the highest post of his lifetime: secretary of state. What does he do from that peak? Make fun of Edward Snowden.
(I’ll keep the focus on Kerry here, but is important to mention that the things said about Snowden are the same old lazy, sad tropes said about whistleblowers since Dan Ellsberg. They should face justice. They harmed America (never any specifics on that one) and so forth.)
Make His Case to the American People?
Having watched Manning, Snowden (and Kerry if he’d admit it) knows what he could expect from American justice.
Trials under the Espionage Act, which the U.S. says is how Snowden will be charged, quite specifically prohibit discussion of anything except proof or rebuttal that the accused did leak classified information. A jury is not allowed to rule on, or even hear about, motive and intent.
John Kiriakou, the former CIA officer who was the first to go on-the-record with the media about waterboarding, pled guilty in his Espionage Act case last year partially because a judge ruled he couldn’t tell the jury about his lack of intent to harm the United States. In the case of State Department official Stephen Kim, the judge ruled the prosecution “need not show that the information he allegedly leaked could damage U.S. national security or benefit a foreign power, even potentially.” In the Espionage Act case against NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake, the government filed motions to make sure the words “whistleblowing” or “overclassification” would never be uttered at trial. In Chelsea Manning’s trial, Manning’s defense wanted to argue she intended to inform the public, that the military was afflicted with a deep and unnecessary addiction to overclassification, and that the government’s own internal assessments showed she caused no real damage to U.S. interests. All this information was ruled inadmissible.
A SuperMax cell is not a very good bully pulpit.
Kerry is either lying, or his hopelessly ignorant.
John Kerry, here’s a deal Snowden might accept: When the Department of Justice agrees to charge James Clapper, national director of intelligence, for lying under oath to Congress about the surveillance of Americans, Snowden will know American justice is fair and equally applied, and come home for a trial. Better yet Kerry, promise that both trials will be televised live with no sealed documents or secret sessions. Deal?
Fair Trial?
As for any sort of a fair trial, John Kerry claimed in the past “People may die as a consequence to what this man [Snowden] did. It is possible that the United States would be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves in some way or another that they didn’t know before.”
Despite the fact that none of that has happened in the long year since Snowden’s information has been on the Internet worldwide, it does suggest officers of the United States government such as Kerry have stepped back from the now-quaint notion of innocent until proven guilty.
Patriots Don’t Run
As for Kerry’s remark about patriots not running, the Secretary should check with the Department of State he titularly heads up. He’d learn between 2009-2011 the U.S. granted asylum to 1,222 Russians, 9,493 Chinese, and 22 Ecuadorians, not including family members, among many others from a variety of countries. The U.S. acknowledges these people as patriots, men and women who took a dangerous and principled stand against a government they felt had gone wrong. A double-standard is no standard at all.
Love of Country
As for love of country, which Kerry maintains Snowden does not have until he surrenders himself to American authorities, Snowden took his love of America with him. Unlike whatever topsy-turvy version Kerry might still hold to, love of country does not necessarily mean love for its government, its military, or its intelligence services. Snowden, and Kerry took an oath that stated: “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” He didn’t pledge fealty to the government or a president or party, only — as the Constitution makes clear — to the ultimate source of legitimacy in our nation, The People.
In an interview, Snowden indicated that he held off on making his disclosures for some time, in hopes that Obama might look into the abyss and decide to become the bravest president in our history by reversing the country’s course. Only when Obama’s courage or intelligence failed was it time to become a whistleblower. Snowden risked everything, and gained almost nothing personally, not to betray his country, but to inform it.
John Kerry, love is expressed through one’s actions, not just words. Snowden clearly believes something other, more, deeper, better than himself matters. He has to believe that one courageous act of conscience can change his country. I think once, long ago, John Kerry might have believed that, too.
BONUS: John Kerry, who said patriots don’t run, and that people should face justice, make their case to the American people and trust in the system, is currently running away from a Congressional subpoena because he doesn’t want to talk about Benghazi.
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Rich Bauer said...
1“Wrongway Kerry-again’s” policy positions make his look-alike Herman Munster look like a genius – Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, the domestic spy program.
Whatever this idiot is for, I’m against it.
05/29/14 11:28 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
2“Wrongway Kerry-again” has “No Place to Hide”
Iraq War: Aug. 9, 2004, when asked if he would still have gone to war knowing Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Kerry said: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have.”
05/29/14 11:45 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
3“Wrong-way Kerry-again” on the Patriot Act:
“Kerry joined with 97 other senators and voted for the Patriot Act in October 2001. Campaigning in New Hampshire in June 2003, he defended his vote, saying, “it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on Sept. 11.”
05/29/14 11:47 AM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
4First off…damn Rich, you must have been patiently waiting for Peter to post this since last night..
🙂
Ok, while I have PLENTY to rant about Kerry..it looks like Kevin beat Peter to the punch at the Dissenter, where one of the commentors pretty well summed up my thoughts..
quote..”What anybody with half a brain thinks of Kerry’s opinion…
http://i.imgur.com/KDlcS.gif
“unquote
youbetcha..summed it up. 🙂
05/29/14 11:51 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
5“Wrongway Kerry-again” on the death penalty:
Kerry favors the death penalty for terrorists. Kerry still opposes the death penalty in general, but says if elected he would not interfere with state executions. Spoke like a real murderer -just not so swift…boat.
05/29/14 11:52 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
6“Wrong-way Kerry-again” on Syria:
Secretary of State John Kerry continued to push for military force against Syria, appearing on a series of talk shows to make the case that sarin gas was used by the Assad regime, and that he is sure Congress will support the use of strikes sought by President Obama.
Speaking on “This Week,” Kerry predicted that Congress would support a military strike, saying, “We are not going to lose this vote.” Asked what would happen if it didn’t receive congressional support, Kerry said he “doesn’t contemplate” that.
05/29/14 11:53 AM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
7ummm, this is what I really think about Kerry…
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060423230817/uncyclopedia/images/b/bb/Head_up_ass.jpg
05/29/14 11:56 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
8“Wrong-way Kerry-again” is a diabolical act to make Hillary look like a genius in comparison. But let US not forget she took the same policy positions.
05/29/14 11:57 AM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
9quote “Wrong-way Kerry-again” is a diabolical act to make Hillary look like a genius in comparison.”unquote
Hahaha! A goat humping a sheep makes Clinton look good too.
quote”But let US not forget she took the same policy positions.”unquote
Don’t ALL Secretary’s of State follow the current foreign policies of the party in power?..ie both Clinton and Kerry perform their duties under DEMOCRAT defined “policies”..no?
Which reminds me..just WHO forms current USG “foreign policy”? And is it a WRITTEN document? I’ve never seen anything that actually defines it.
I digress..nevermind..that’s a story for another day.
Let’s get back to virtually bashing Kerry’s head in. I need some fun today.
05/29/14 12:25 PM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
10quote”Kerry took an oath that stated: “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”unquote
not..
http://us.cdn4.123rf.com/168nwm/milla74/milla741304/milla74130400116/18988038-business-man-with-fingers-crossed.jpg
🙂
05/29/14 12:36 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
11The only thing missing from “Wrongway Kerry-agains” speeches on foreign policy is a laugh track.
05/29/14 12:38 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
12Insert laugh track here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630524/John-Kerry-suggests-war-torn-African-country-Libya-track-wanted-to.html
05/29/14 12:42 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
13“Wrongway Kerry-again” has no standing to tell Snowden to “man up.” “Wrong-way” clearly has no conscience.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642402/I-home-I-sleep-night-Whistleblower-Edward-Snowden-says-no-regrets-actions-interview-U-S-TV-network.html
05/29/14 12:49 PM | Comment Link
meloveconsullongtime said...
14In our Papist household (cf the Republican slogan of the 1884 Presidential election, calling the Democrats – the party of the excellent Grover Cleveland, an anti-imperialist – the party of “RUM, ROMANISM AND REBELLION!” – all of three of which I think are GOOD things!)…
…ANYway, in our Papist household, I was just telling my wife:
“If Snowden were stupid enough to go back to America, he’d be like Robert Aske…”
Well, in 1536, Robert Aske was the leader of the English “Pilgrimage of Grace”, a rebellion of Northern English Catholics against the tyrant King Henry VIII. Bloody King Henry invited Robert Aske to come cown to London with a promise to leave him unharmed – IF HE WOULD ONLY DISARM HISMELF AND HIS REBELS! – to meet with King Henry to petition for a redress of grievances.
But then when Robert Aske – a typically naive Yorkshireman who believed that everyone else was as honest as he was – disarmed and came down to London, King Henry arrested him and convicted him of treason without a trial. And since King Henry had promised not to have Aske executed, instead he had him hanged alive in chains, until he died a “natural” death from exposure.
05/29/14 1:39 PM | Comment Link
meloveconsullongtime said...
15PS,
HEY, JOHN KERRY! It’s ME! US Passport number xxxxxxxx!
So, Lurch? John Kerry? I was just saying to someone else, “If I were an atheist, I’d be an old fashioned Marxist!”
I just wonder which one you’d prefer in what’s left of your country, Lurch? A hard core Catholic, or a Communist? Because EITHER WAY, my first loyalty would NOT be to the state!
Oh me, oh my! Maybe the State Department will cancel my US Passport, like you did to Snowden? Oh wait, WHOOPSIE! I’m luckier than Snowden. I’ve got another passport, from my adopted country. Where I live now.
So go ahead and cancel my US Passport, John Kerry. You’ll save me the 450 dollar fee that the State Department would otherwise charge me for renouncing my US citizenship.
Meanwhile, Lurch, think about THIS in your unquiet dreams. “Catholics and Commies and Words, oh my!”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13q2wYZr_0
05/29/14 2:56 PM | Comment Link
meloveconsullongtime said...
16PPS, and Lurch? John Kerry?
The late Archbishop Oscar Romero – of your empire’s satellite state, El Salvador – has a special message for you, John Kerry:
“No soldier is obliged to obey an order contrary to the law of God”…
…which packs a lot more punch than your “Last man to die for a mistake”, because acting “contrary to the law of God” is a hell of a lot more serious than a “mistake”. Because, as YOUR LIFE has shown, John Kerry, “mistakes” can SO easily be rationalised on the grounds of “national security”, yeah?
But hey, Lurch? Archbishop Romero won’t let you get away with your weasel words. Listen to him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zecOIXdyvVo
05/29/14 3:20 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
1759 percent of Twitter users responding consider Snowden a patriot, while 41 percent see him as a traitor.
100 percent of Twitter users responding consider Kerry an idiot. Those who may have supported Kerry don’t know what Twitter is.
05/29/14 4:21 PM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
18melove said”
quote”ANYway, in our Papist household, I was just telling my wife:….unquote
BINGO!!! Well I’ll be a monkeys unc…wait..scratch that.. 🙂
ANYway, Holy mother of slips of the tongue..
I’ve been wondering something for over a year melove. You REALLY REALLY had me confused for a long long time. Please, I know this is NOT the place, nor do you have to explain..but damn. I just couldn’t figure out if you were a man or woman. Reason is..your diatribes about ..well..a Russian woman stealing ..YOUR..husband????????? And later..something you said made that sound ridiculous. I dunno. Maybe I missed something in the translation. Hahahahahaha!
Nevermind. That’s your business. You just had me confused. At least I know what gender I’m talking to now. Wheeeew! I coulda got myself in trouble. Hahahahahaha!
Ok..carry on. Nuff said.
05/29/14 4:23 PM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
19quote”100 percent of Twitter users responding consider Kerry an idiot. Those who may have supported Kerry don’t know what Twitter is.”unquote
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
priceless Rich.
05/29/14 4:29 PM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
20quote”59 percent of Twitter users responding consider Snowden a patriot, while 41 percent see him as a traitor.”unquote
The other part of the data analysis says 41 percent of those responding do not have children.
I bet you know why. If not, here’s a clue.
No body in their right mind would want their children to grow up not knowing what PRIVACY is.
Because if that’s what ultimately happens in this world…we are finished as a specie.
05/29/14 4:43 PM | Comment Link
meloveconsullongtime said...
21Pitch wrote:
“Please, I know this is NOT the place, nor do you have to explain”…
…and Pitch, some of your comments like that one, are why I’ve always suspected you’re not who you pretend to be. Also, the character you play here never quite sounds authentic. You sound like a spook trying very hard to play the role of an aggrieved civilian. You sound like a middle class guy in a government position, trying too hard to sound like the government’s idea of a domestic terrorist.
That said, although as you said “this is NOT the place” – but then, if this is NOT the place, then why did YOU go out of YOUR way to bring it up?…
…that said, I’ve never posted anything ambiguous here about my gender or about what a Russian woman did. YOU invented the confusion in your above comment, totally unrelated to this post. So, Pitch, WHY are YOU inventing this confusion, irrelevant to this post? What’s YOUR interest in doing so?
I’ve always made it clear in my comments on this blog: My daughter’s Russian mother committed several felonies, including passport fraud, in collusion with at least one (or several) US Consular officers, so that she could run away with an American woman’s husband and become a public adulterer.
Pitchfork, the fact that YOU have once again brought this up WITH your OWN deliberate confusion – and your irrelevant smearing of me – stinks.
Oh, but HEY, Pitchfork! I can play the same role that YOU play! It’s easy, just imagine how a 25-45 year old mid to upper middle class graduate from, well maybe not Ivy League but at least from a nearly top tier college, FBI or CIA spook trolling this blog, would imagine how an aggrieved (and gun-supporting) slightly-better-than-GDE-educated American would speak:
“YESssirrEEE, whuddathunk! Pour me another!” Etc etc, in other words, Pitch, you don’t speak (or write) like any classes or ethnicities of normal Americans do. You, Pitchfork, are a SIMULATION of what American spooks IMAGINE some kinds of Americans are like!
But hey, Pitchfork! After you’re done with THIS bit of role-playing, in a role that has nothing to do with who you really are or what your real experiences have been, then maybe when you retire you can put on some make-up and play ANOTHER role!
You can retire as a Minstrel Show performer! Like this – because, Pitchfork, THIS next video (Mickey Rooney in Blackface) has as much to do with the REALITY of YOU, as YOU have to do with your fictional, made-up character of “Pitchfork”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmEemOfsxhs
05/29/14 5:18 PM | Comment Link
meloveconsullongtime said...
22And re my above comment – taking off the Kabuki masks – here’s what Pitchfork has been trying, and transparently failing, to impersonate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6ArylRGWME
05/29/14 5:41 PM | Comment Link
meloveconsullongtime said...
23…but then, there’s the ELEGANT side of the kind of Americans whom Washington DC spooks like Pitch will never really know how to impersonate – because you can’t impersonate a culture for which you have nothing but contempt. (“Whudda thunk? Yessiree!”):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuGJaU25ZIA
05/29/14 5:49 PM | Comment Link
Lisa said...
24I find John Kerry to be a true tragic figure. Watch or read his Winter Soldier testimony and you will see a shocked and impassioned young man, a man who was told he could hang up any political aspirations if he chose the moves he chose.
This is not an apologia for his monumental failings, simply a recognition of how the scramble to power corrupts absolutely. I have seen man who rely on the money and power of their respective wives, and it is never a pretty thing.
Forget the ease with which you might smear John McCain … at one time, before he sold his soul in a deal with the devil (= the Bushes), he too was a man of conviction, say what you will about that. But one may not deal with the dishonorable and retain one’s integrity, and that is what he did.
Politics is very dirty business, in case we didn’t know. Kerry has nosed his way into the rink not as a Golden Boy, but as a lackey, as most are. The words he is propped up to speak are distasteful and untrue, and he knows it.
But Kerry is now a Sunshine Patriot, and this is his brief moment in the sun. Pity his nights, alone with his corrupted soul.
05/29/14 6:29 PM | Comment Link
Lisa said...
25@ meloveconsul:
I have no beef w/ “Pitch”, other than that he plays/is the local nutter, and seems too bright by half. But you spooks can i.d. each other, no?
I wondered how such an apparent basket case showed up here with such gusto. At our blog, we have our own “Barney Fife”, no doubt on someone’s payroll. Probably doesn’t get paid much, but it relieves the suppressed histrionic in him/her.
I do hope Peter gets some minor amusement from the vicarious vicious play, to which he himself has unjustly been exposed.
05/29/14 6:48 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
26Of course, Pitch and MeLove could be the same person!! But that would make me sound paranoid, no? Let US take everyone at their word. Don’t need a circular firing squad at WMW. That’s what DS is for.
05/29/14 7:13 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
27The SS (surveillance system) works:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Feds_Former_NJ_pharmacist_pleads_guilty_to_possession_of_deadly_toxins_ricin_and_abrin.html
05/29/14 7:32 PM | Comment Link
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28[…] Responding to Kerry’s remarks on his website, Peter Van Buren, a former government employee and whistleblower himself said that the Secretary of State—who at this point sounds “more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat”—has apparently been “relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear.” function fbs_click() {u=location.href;t=document.title;window.open('http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/john-kerry-slammed-man-comments/&t=John Kerry slammed for “Man up” comments','sharer','toolbar=0,status=0,width=626,height=436');return false;} […]
05/29/14 9:30 PM | Comment Link
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29[…] Responding to Kerry’s remarks on his website, Peter Van Buren, a former government employee and whistleblower himself said that the Secretary of State—who at this point sounds “more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat”—has apparently been “relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear.” […]
05/29/14 10:38 PM | Comment Link
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05/30/14 1:30 AM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
31Holy mother of delusion.
What drugs did you overdose on today melov?
05/30/14 2:29 AM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
32Peter..with all due respect to you and this blog..
I’m outta here. Gone. Done.
To melove and Lisa…
you two are really fucking loony.
05/30/14 2:35 AM | Comment Link
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33[…] Responding to Kerry's remarks on his website, Peter Van Buren, a former government employee and whistleblower himself said that the Secretary of State—who at this point sounds "more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat"—has apparently been "relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear." […]
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34[…] Kerry Tells Snowden to “Man Up” and Come Home A near-complete failure as Secretary of State (if you are not sure, read this), Kerry is apparently relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear. Did Kerry think he might persuade Snowden to take up the challenge and fly back to the U.S.? Maybe meet Kerry in the Octagon mano-a-mano? No, Kerry sounded much more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat. – See more at: https://wemeantwell.com/blog/2014/05/29/kerry-tells-snowden-to-man-up-and-come-home/#sthash.PUdzNxZj.dpuf […]
05/30/14 9:00 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
35Rich Bauer Tells Pitch to “Man Up” and Come Home
Pitch, We Meant Well
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Who knows what the future holds? Item: Reflecting growing national acceptance of cannabis, a bipartisan coalition of House members voted early Friday to restrict the Drug Enforcement Administration from using funds to go after medical marijuana operations that are legal under state laws.
Now about that defense budget…
05/30/14 10:04 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
36Speaking of Coming to America:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/05/24/iran-billionaire-executed-over-26b-bank-fraud/9535639/
If we can’t shame the pricks…
05/30/14 10:49 AM | Comment Link
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37[…] Responding to Kerry’s remarks on his website, Peter Van Buren, a former government employee and whistleblower himself said that the Secretary of State—who at this point sounds “more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat”—has apparently been “relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear.” […]
05/30/14 1:31 PM | Comment Link
Lisa said...
38Pitch, Don’t go.
Airspace is free, and you must on your big boy or girl panties if you want to slug it out on the interwebs.
I know — we’ve learned the hard way. People are VERY touchy, esp. when you tread — even appear to tread — upon their personal peccadilloes, shall we say?
05/30/14 5:46 PM | Comment Link
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39[…] Responding to Kerry’s remarks on his website, Peter Van Buren, a former government employee and whistleblower himself said that the Secretary of State—who at this point sounds “more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat”—has apparently been “relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear.” […]
05/30/14 7:33 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
40Dan Ellsberg Makes Case John Kerry is an Idiot:
“John Kerry’s challenge to Snowden to return and face trial is either disingenuous or simply ignorant that current prosecutions under the Espionage Act allow no distinction whatever between a patriotic whistleblower and a spy. Either way, nothing excuses Kerry’s slanderous and despicable characterizations of a young man who, in my opinion, has done more than anyone in or out of government in this century to demonstrate his patriotism, moral courage and loyalty to the oath of office the three of us swore: to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Powell, Rice, Clinton, Kerry. State is a ship of fools.
05/31/14 10:22 AM | Comment Link
Lisa said...
41Rich Bauer says,
Of course, Pitch and MeLove could be the same person
You spooks are quite the pieces of work;:) I can draw the linkages, too:
Meloveconsul has a fierce affiliation with the Confederates in the War or Northern Aggression; Pitchfork certainly has the right moniker for a rebel.
…’twas inevitable Peter would draw out this mania, like moths to the flame. (Not that YOU’RE spooky, Peter.) I think I’ll just take my paranoia whilst reading le Carre.
05/31/14 7:17 PM | Comment Link
GreggJ said...
42Wow. Spooks? I don’t know bout that. But as I watch Kerry’s speech at Yale (5/18, re-broadcast on C-Span)… what I blast! He is so… odd! Just making shit up that he thinks will sound good, nothing sounds sincere.
He tells people what he thinks they want to hear, or what he thinks sounds good. It is horrible. And sad. Sad.
06/1/14 10:03 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
43Speaking of spooks, John Kiriakou must wonder when Team Obama will “man up” for its mistakes:
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/05/27/will-white-house-official-who-revealed-kabul-cia-station-chiefs-identity-to-reporters-be-held-responsible/
06/2/14 11:30 AM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
44Lisa said…
quote”Pitch, Don’t go.”unquote
Ok. If you insist. 🙂
Just had to get a breath of fresh air.
melov..I’m sorry I climbed over your fence. I meant no harm. I promise NEVER to do that again.
Now, can we shake …er.. get back to where we were?
06/2/14 4:06 PM | Comment Link
Lisa said...
45[smugly … inhaling}:
Ah, the influence of female power-brokering.
I can see what keeps Hillary at it 😉
06/2/14 6:43 PM | Comment Link
pitchfork said...
46Lisa said..
quote”Ah, the influence of female power-brokering.
“unquote
Lewinski must be laughing her ass off. 🙂
quote”I can see what keeps Hillary at it”unquote
Yeah.. she wants a shot at Executive Privileges too.
Me
“hey Sally. Since you’re the new bartender here,
..I have a joke for ya.
One night at the dinner table, the wife commented, “When we were first married, you took the small piece of steak and gave me the larger. Now you take the large one and leave me the smaller; You don’t love me any more…”
“Nonsense, darling,” replied the husband, “you just cook better now.”
(Sally chortling)”Yeah, well I have one for you too.
There were 11 people hanging on to a rope that came down from a helicopter. Ten were men and one woman. They all decided that one person should get off because if they didn’t, the rope would break and everyone would die. No one could decide who should go. Finally the woman gave a really touching speech on how she would give up her life to save the others, because women were used to giving up things for their husbands and children and giving in to men.
All of the men started clapping.”
🙂
06/2/14 9:21 PM | Comment Link
Lisa said...
47Pitch says:
Lewinski must be laughing her ass off
Which implies she should be laughing quite a bit, but it doesn’t seem to be making a dent (?)
06/3/14 3:52 PM | Comment Link
John “Man Up” Kerry Faces Firestorm for Snowden Remarks | SHOAH said...
48[…] Responding to Kerry’s remarks on his website, Peter Van Buren, a former government employee and whistleblower himself said that the Secretary of State—who at this point sounds “more like Grandpa Simpson than America’s Senior Diplomat”—has apparently been “relegated within the Obama administration to the role of mumbling bully-boy statements, faux-machismo rantings whose intended audience and purpose are very, very unclear.” […]
06/4/14 3:34 AM | Comment Link