• Wesley Clark Calls for Internment Camps for ‘Radicalized’ Americans

    July 23, 2015

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    Posted in: Democracy, Post-Constitution America

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    Retired general and former Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark on Friday called for World War II-style internment camps to be revived for “disloyal Americans.”


    In an interview on MSNBC in the wake of the mass shooting in Chattanooga, Clark said that during World War II, “if someone supported Nazi Germany at the expense of the United States, we didn’t say that was freedom of speech, we put him in a camp, they were prisoners of war.”

    (During WWII, the United States detained over 11,000 ethnic Germans in the U.S. The government examined the cases under the Alien and Sedition Acts individually in a form of limited due process, and detained relatively few in internment camps. However, over 120,000 Japanese-Americans were sent off to camps without any form of due process. Most Americans consider these actions along the most shameful abuse of government power and civil rights since the abolition of slavery. The United States continues to pay reparations to those interned.)

    Clark called for a revival of internment camps to help combat Muslim extremism, saying, “If these people are radicalized and they don’t support the United States and they are disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine. It’s their right and it’s our right and obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”

    (It is unclear what “conflict” Clark is referring to, but we can assume it is the undeclared war on an idea, terrorism. Terrorism has existed roughly since the beginning of civilization, so the duration of any conflict against it seems open-ended.)

    Clark’s proposal appears to be based on the concept of targeting people for government scrutiny who are not “radicalized,” whatever that means, but who the government, or perhaps just Clark by himself, decides may become radicalized at some unspecified future date.

    “We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized. We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning,” Clark said. “I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”

    For those keeping score, Clark’s proposal would violate, at a minimum, the rights to free speech, due process and habeas corpus, and cruel and unusual punishment, all the while setting a precedent for “thought crime” in the United States.

    Here’s the interview. Please note how the MSNBC drone interviewer does not challenge Clark in any way:




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    • John Poole said...

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      We’d have to put a lot of disloyal Americans in internment camps who are likely to be “radicalized” into murderous behavior by having one exceptionally bad day. We may indeed become a MINORITY REPORT society with General Clark assigning himself “pre cog” (precognition) status.

      07/23/15 9:58 AM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

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      J’defi ! “If someone supported Nazi Germany at the expense of the United States, we didn’t say that was freedom of speech, we put him in a camp, they were prisoners of war.”
      I don’t recall Prescott BUSH & Company being interred during The Big ONE! But I guess that was before the $upine ¢ourt decided money is $peech!
      Is this ¢untry $ERIOU$LY fu¢ked Up or WTF?

      07/23/15 11:49 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      I agree with him. As those who set up a torture program, to which people were kidnapped, tortured and even murdered, and those who started a war based on lies to which this war criminal conspired , and those who vaporize thousands of innocent men, women and children with Hellfire missiles, and those lying conspiriting traitors who have systematically installed the largest illegal surveillance system in history, regardless of the rubberstamping FISC that was put in place to oversee the IC, and the worthless Congressional conspiritors in their overight committees..I submit define the very word “radicalized”. In that light, I’d say yes, let’s intern these radical motherfuckers. In fact, let’s just put up a 20ft barbed wire fence around WDC, and let armed citizen volunteers guard it 24/7.
      But let’s start with Clark, as it’s blindingly clear this scumbag is the very incarnation of “disloyal” Americans.

      The only thing left in Amerika’s freefall down the totalitarian abyss, is the call for mass executions in gas ovens. Given what this degenerate scumbag has just called for…and what some Congress members have said..it won’t be long.

      Now, is there any doubt in any ones mind that the America you pledged allegiance to is dead? As Peter mentioned in his previous post about the Elephant wondering where we are heading,..this post sum’s it up. We’re heading to hell at breakneck speed.

      Meanwhile, the insidious NSA has plans. Plans to build a new data center in Ft. Meade…almost THREE TIMES BIGGER than the one in Bluffdale Utah. Again..if there’s any doubt now that Big Brother isn’t a myth…think again. If anyone would know..it’s Bill Binney. Btw, the NSA and the entire IC is a pack of lying motherfuckers.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/nsa-whisteblower-nsa-clai_b_7837806.html

      07/23/15 12:34 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      ps.. the mere fact a General in the US armed forces has called for internment camps for “radicalized Americans, is living proof the USG has gone stark raving mad. The Framers would have lined this scum in front of a firing squad. Because..THEY were radicalized. By King George lll.

      07/23/15 12:40 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      ps 2..oh, and speaking of the NSA’s emerging status akin to the Nazi’s.. now they are trying to “indoctrinate” children into considering becoming future NSA cyberspies, just as Hitler had youth camps for Nazi indoctrination…

      http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nsa-has-summer-camp-cyberspies-180955999/?no-ist

      Enough is enough. If Congress doesn’t reign these bastards in soon.. …er..wait. They can’t. The NSA has the dirt on everyone in WDC.. and the world.

      bartender..give me a shot of Orwell.

      07/23/15 12:48 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      ps3….If Orwell only knew he wrote an Instruction booklet instead of a novel, he’d throw up.

      07/23/15 12:50 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...

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      I’ll repost a condensed version of several comments I posted on another blog on this topic:

      Clark is re-writing our history in his comments as a means of propaganda.

      We did not have internment camps for Nazi sympathizers during WW2; we had internment camps for Japanese-Americans and German and Italian nationals; i.e., civilians we considered to be of the same ethnicity or descent as that of our enemies during that war. They weren’t rounded up because they were Nazis or had expressed interest in Nazi ideas, but simply because they were of Japanese descent, or were Germans or Italians living here who were not American citizens yet (and, in fact, not all members of those latter two groups were interned). In other words, we had internment camps for people based on ETHNICITY, not ideology or political beliefs.

      Further, one might be inclined to point out that AFTER the war, a significant number of Nazis, actual bona fide ran-the-camps, wore-the-Swastika, Nazis were brought into the US by invitation of our government to work in US scientific, medical, and tech circles. Saved from the Nuremberg trials, they were, and given good jobs despite the “threat” of their Nazi idealism. These were definitely not German-Americans who had been interned anywhere in the US prior to that; I am talking about a different group of Germans altogether. And the groups that HAD been interned due to ethnicity were released immediately after the end of the war. Clearly, “holding Nazi sympathies” had nothing to do with their internment, since “renouncing” the same had nothing to do with their release, just as direct participation in Hitler’s Nazi blitzkreig did not interfere with the US granting naturalization to some real Nazis.

      If we HAD had internment camps for Nazi sympathizers and “disloyal Americans”, Henry Ford would have been there, as well as the Prescott Bush and JD Rockefeller, amongst others. Large American businesses would have been dismantled and bankrupt if we insisted they end their relationships with the Nazis (Ford Motor, Kodak, Nestle, GE, Du Pont, etc. come to mind) – some of these companies were actually paid reparations later by the US government for their losses which were incurred by the US bombing raids during the war, despite the fact that they were aiding the enemy and some of their owners/CEOs were not just making jack off colluding with the enemy, but were themselves Nazi sympathizers.

      And why conflate the Nazis with whatever terrorist groups he might be referring to here? (Note he doesn’t name a particular group, the implication being that all of “them” – pick a terrorist, any terrorist – are akin to Nazis.) The fact is we support Nazis now, having just installed a bunch of them in Ukraine and given them heavy arms and military aid, including boots on the ground. The fact is that there would be no al Qaeda or ISIS without US intervention in the ME, and the fact is that we are now supporting, arming, and aligning with al Qaeda in Syria. (I suspect that ISIS is a CIA group and we actually support them too, but I’ll let that thought go for now.) Since it is now official policy to support modern Nazis and al Qaeda, it’s no wonder he has to leave the “terrorists” unnamed. Not to mention the fact that the FBI has stated that in looking into the background of the “Chattanooga shooter”, he appears NOT to have been radicalized by or to have followed the ideas of any particular terrorist group, and specifically detested ISIS.

      While the US internment camps were obviously a terrible wrong and a vast breach of human and, specifically, US rights (and I am not even attempting to go into the civil rights’ issues here), what Clark is doing in his remarks is fabricating – i.e., MAKING UP – a WW2 internment of “Nazi sympathizers” and using it as a way to recommend a similar solution for today’s “radicalized Muslims”. I happen to think this is important to note. Clark may want us to regard history as a flexible and rather nimble story, shall we say, but this whole “interned the Nazi-sympathizers” is really doing some major yoga contortions with the facts.

      Unfortunately, he has not been called out on this and the facts corrected, at least in any of the articles I have read on this subject. A whole bunch of people will now reason that if we did it back then, why not do it now? Fact is, we didn’t do it back then. (Do I need to add we shouldn’t do it now for any reason – race, religion, politics, or ethnicity?)

      [Note: I am aware of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee and the Red Scare and all that. Separate thing. People’s lives were wrecked and a few people did go to jail, unfairly, illegally, but we did not round up entire groups and put them in camps even then. Clark specified the internment camps of WW2 and stated that we interned people for their political beliefs or ideological sympathies. We did not.]

      07/23/15 2:45 PM | Comment Link

    • Nic108 said...

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      Great comments by “teri” and “bloodypitchfork”. Let’s put the fascists and Police Statists in camps.

      07/23/15 7:02 PM | Comment Link

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