• It is Legal for Terrorists to Buy Guns in America

    November 25, 2015

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    Posted in: Democracy, Post-Constitution America

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    Serial idiot Lindsey Graham, among too many others, stated that if only more people in Paris had been armed, the tragedy would have been lessened.



    He echoed a popular right-wing meme in America, that “all it takes is a good guy with a gun to defeat a bad guy with a gun,” and that therefore any form of gun control in these United States would render us more vulnerable to attack.

    Such statements ignore multiple realities, one of which is that a bunch of would-be vigilantes would go to nightclubs and restaurants always armed, and that their blasting away inside a dark, crowded place in the midst of a panic would not kill more innocent people than the terrorists. Many people, for example, dramatically overestimate their own skills, never mind the accuracy of a handgun at distances of more than a few yards. Add in accidental shootings, deadly overreactions to things that are not threats, amateurs unsure who the bad guys are killing each other, stray rounds and that fact that many people in nightclubs and restaurants have had a drink or two, and you have a recipe for even more danger, not less.


    But before we even worry about that, let’s enjoy the hypocrisy of this: it is perfectly legal in the United States for person on the FBI terrorist watch list to purchase guns and explosives, and many of them do.

    Who in America other than terrorists cannot legally buy guns. That list includes felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers. Fair enough.

    But not terrorists (unless they are also felons, fugitives, drug addicts or domestic abusers.) A report from the Government Accountability Office hilighted by the Washington Post says at least 2,043 known and suspected terrorists in the United States legally purchased firearms between 2004 and 2014.

    “Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded. This includes persons on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watchlist. Note that records for 2011 and 2012 are incomplete “because of a programming error the FBI subsequently fixed,” according to the GAO. So no one really knows how many terror suspects legally bought guns over the last 11 years.


    A bipartisan bill offered this year (the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015”) is strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association (NRA). The NRA states the bill is “aimed primarily at law-abiding American gun owners,” and that the bill was “sponsored by gun control extremists.”

    Yes, yes, there are ways to purchase guns illegally on the street, and legally at gun shows, that bypass background checks and any other controls, so any would-be terrorists can still pick up some semi-automatic iron as needed.

    At the same time, however, that our First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendment rights are being stripped away in the name of freedom and security, perhaps it is worth also taking another look at what might be done with the Second Amendment at the same time.




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    • RICH BAUER said...

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      When (and it is inevitable) a bunch of French and Belgium ISIS terrorists, none of whom are on any terrorist watchlist, arrive in the DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET and get their hands on a bountiful supply of assault weapons and kill as many Americans as they have bullets, which are also in bountiful supply, then MAYBE the DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET will recognize the NRA and the whores in Congress who take its blood money are with the terrorists and against US.

      11/25/15 8:50 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Wait…wait.. something is wrong with this picture.

      quote”So no one really knows how many terror suspects legally bought guns over the last 11 years.”unquote

      First off is the term…SUSPECTS. As far as I’ve been led to believe.. until convicted of a crime, a person shall be considered ..ahem..innocent. And given the fact we are ALL “suspects” by virtue of the mass ubiquitous surveillance state dragnets..I’d say that means we are all potential if not “suspected terrorists”, no?

      However, back to this “suspected” terrorist LIST. IF, these people are known, why doesn’t the FBI get a warrant and CHECK THEM FOR WEAPONS?????

      I mean, seriously. WTF? This Bill..the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015”, is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. First off, what kind of a moron “terrorist”, would submit to a background check to get a “permit” to purchase a weapon. DUH!!

      Second, what is the criteria for being placed on a “suspected” terrorist list???

      if anything..if these people are “suspected” of acts of terrorism..WHY aren’t they being ARRESTED and PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW???????????

      SERIOUSLY..what the fuck is wrong with this picture?????????

      wait..wait. I can’t go on. I’m outta time but I’ll be back.

      11/25/15 9:25 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

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      And once again, Pitch nails it. Our entire “terror system” is just bullshit. The laws and practices make no sense. We compile threat lists and use them only to hassle people trying to get on planes, while terrorists haven’t done that for 14 years and long ago switched to shooting up places. Answer to your query: EVERYTHING is wrong with this picture.

      11/25/15 9:30 AM | Comment Link

    • jim hruska said...

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      Peter,
      there are many ways to acquire weapons, all of which by-pass the legal restrictions.
      one small example; break into any truck here in fla. that has a NRA sticker/bumper sticker on it.
      this will always yield an assault rifle and ammo.
      i worry more about police who are armed with mp5s , m4’s and assault shotguns.
      how can u fault an armed citien when compared to a police response in which 5000 rounds were expended. thats a combat basic load for an infantry platoon for one days combat.
      my fire discipline is better than that.
      jim hruska aka rangeragainstwar.

      11/25/15 10:30 AM | Comment Link

    • jim hruska said...

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      Peter,
      now in all fairness lets refer to your first paragraph in this entry.
      Forget right and left. neither you nor graham or any one else can prove or disprove the statement that you dismiss.
      both sides are relying on pure emotion.
      this includes you my friend.
      jim hruska

      11/25/15 10:34 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

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      I make my arguments the statement in para 1 is false in para 3, for better or worse. Not emotion there, but a list of statements as to why more guns would just mean more deaths. Not all gun owners are as responsible as you, Jim.

      11/25/15 10:38 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      quote”i worry more about police who are armed with mp5s , m4’s and assault shotguns.”unquote

      DING DING DING!!! We have a WINNA!!!

      I Notwithstanding that scumbag psycho cop in Chicago who pumped 16 rounds into that teenager, here’s one that will make you vomit…

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/family-of-man-killed-by-deputies-in-idaho-says-it-was-murder.html?_r=0

      I pray these murderers go to prison for life. But I ain’t holding my breath.

      Who needs fucking terrorists when we have the police murdering and terrorizing people from coast to coast?

      11/25/15 11:18 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Let US not forget the USUAL SUSPECTS – the travel industry – who fought efforts to improve airline security pre 9-11 and now are fighting efforts to eliminate the visa waiver program for countries like Belgium that harbor ISIS terrorists.

      11/25/15 12:18 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Meanwhile.. the continuing saga of that poor man who was already a victim of the system by vitrue of a scum infected cop shot a 16 year old boy 16 times, suggests that our collective sense of outrage has now been dumbed down by every stupid fucking american carrying a smart phone to find digital nervana while he/she hands over their progeny’s future to the IRS.

      11/25/15 8:24 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Pitch,

      OXYmorons with smart phones – that describes US, the Dumbest Country on the Planet. Pity the clowns who have to listen to it all.

      http://11oclocknews.typepad.com/the_11_oclock_news/2015/11/the-cia-snake-oil-salesmen-are-back-in-business.html

      11/25/15 8:51 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Speaking of snakes… from Rich’s link..

      “Former CIA chief James Woolsey said Snowden “has blood on his hands” because, he asserted, the Paris attackers learned from his disclosures how to hide their communications behind encryption. Woolsey said Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until he’s dead, rather than merely electrocuted.”unquote

      Ah yes. The infamous liar of liars, Gen. blood on his hands, UFO kook Woolsey. The same fucking neocon war mongerer who lied through his teeth for invading Iraq at a cost of 100k lives. AND, post Iraq war, had he had his way, the entire ME would have gone up in flames, only to be re-defined just like after WWll.

      kettle meet pot. sheeezusfuckingchrist, this war mongering psychopath has more blood on his hands than CIA has lies. Notwithstanding the rest of the neocon war mongerers, he was pushing for war in Iraq clear back in the 90’s…
      quote:
      “By the late 1990s Woolsey had jumped on the “get Saddam” bandwagon. He was a signatory, along with fellow neocons Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz , of the Project for the New American Century’s letter to Bill Clinton that called for “the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power”

      As for kook…

      “….when President Clinton appointed Woolsey to head the CIA in 1993, the new director of Central Intelligence immediately tasked senior officers with combing the files to ferret out secret information about flying saucers and extraterrestrials. Not satisfied with the explanation that the CIA had no secret UFO files, Woolsey commissioned a report, CIA’s Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-1990, which was released in 1996, the year after his resignation.

      When Woolsey departed the CIA after a scant two years on the job, his excuse was that he hadn’t been able to establish a personal relationship with President Clinton. Far more likely, however, is that Woolsey quit because he was unable to win the respect of his subordinates, who found his fixation with UFOs highly amusing. Within the CIA Woolsey had come to be regarded as a kook.”unquote
      http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jtaylor.php?articleid=12208

      Next thing you know he’ll be pushing for war with ..ahem… aliens.

      Snowden must be rolling on the floor in gut splitting laughter.

      11/26/15 7:18 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Btw…on a side note….

      When I said:

      “Next thing you know he’ll be pushing for war with ..ahem… aliens.

      ummmm.. I wasn’t kidding…(insert rolling eye smiley here)

      This is crazy. Fucking insane. If you know who Dr. Steven Greer is, maybe it isn’t. He briefed Woolsey on the known state of UFO data, in the hopes of getting Woolsey to disclose what he knew as Woolsey was Director of the CIA …
      quote:
      “Finally, Woolsey misunderstood what was required, and was unaware that he would be lied to. “Jim underestimated the manipulative quality of the agency bureaucracy, where lying and deceptions are institutionalized,” said a former senior national security official. “He was too trusting, and that made him easy prey. He wasn’t ready for people lying to him when he was loyal to them.”

      Further complicating Dr. Greer’s effort to convince the DCI of the reality of the UFO situation, and to get him to end the cover-up by publicly releasing critical information, was the clash of two main ideas at the briefing . Greer on one hand viewed the aliens as good guys here to usher earth into the galactic community. As part of this paradigm, Greer believed that the military should stop shooting at the aliens. Further, Greer believed that the military-industrial group that controlled the UFO information should quit trying to use the presence of the aliens as a reason to fund an intergalactic war with the aliens.”

      The presence of the aliens as a reason to fund an intergalactic war with the aliens. right. fuck.

      http://www.presidentialufo.com/old_site/part2-.htm

      bartender.. let me have a triple shot of 100prf Everclear. And leave the bottle.

      oh..about the lying thing too..

      I said:

      “sheeezusfuckingchrist, this war mongering psychopath has more blood on his hands than CIA has lies. ”

      well…here it is from the horses mouth….

      “Woolsey underestimated the manipulative quality of the agency(CIA) bureaucracy where lying and deceptions are institutionalized. He was too trusting, and that made him easy prey. He wasn’t ready for people lying to him when he was loyal to them.”

      Lying and deceptions… institutionalized. Right.

      whudda thunk.

      btw.. check out Dr. Greer. Your world is about to change…

      https://www.google.com/?noj=01&gws_rd=ssl#noj=01&q=dr+greer+youtube

      and then..there is SIRUS. If you never beilieved in UFO’s try to see this movie. It’s on Netflix

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1075199/pg1

      we now return you to your previously scheduled reality. 🙂

      11/26/15 8:27 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      11/26/15 9:36 AM | Comment Link

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    • jim hruska said...

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      Peter,
      when was a rifle/pistol/shotgun/assault variants used in a domestic US terror incident?
      Legal or otherwise.
      jim hruska aka rangeragainstwar.

      11/28/15 2:32 PM | Comment Link

    • Tamela H said...

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      Ignoring multiple realities, that a bunch of would-be vigilantes would go to nightclubs and restaurants always armed, and that their blasting away inside a dark, crowded place in the midst of a panic would kill more people than the terrorists”

      Please, Don’t Insult my intelligence dear sir,

      Can you name one single instance were these so called Vigilantes, A NRA or legal gun owner showed up and opened fire in a restaurant or nightclub, any were inside our country.HMMM No you can Not, Besides a couple nut jobs or the mentally ill. . . . . If they did confiscate every weapon inside our country Criminal’s will still have,find Make or buy weapons. This ultimately would lead to the slaughter of our civilians. That’s the cold hard reality, so deal with it, get over it and be ready to defend yourself because there is a war going on in this country, Man Up . . .

      12/6/15 8:43 PM | Comment Link

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