• Some Hindsight: The Lies that Dumped America Into the Syrian War

    September 2, 2016

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    Checking out the news these days, it might seem pretty clear why the U.S. is at war in Syria: destroy ISIS. That is almost certainly the way the two main presidential candidates will see it during their upcoming first debate, in a rare point of agreement.


    The funny thing is that ISIS did not become the reason for what now is a major regional war until late in the game.

    If we rewind about three years, the original justification was to “rid the world of the dictator,” Syrian president Bashar Assad. The U.S. involvement was started under the pretext that Assad was using chemical weapons against the other side in what was once confined to a civil war. American declared Assad thus had to go to avoid a genocide and humanitarian disaster.

    FYI: If you read no further, remember anytime a politician uses the word “genocide” these days we’re about to be dragged into another conflict that will morph into a quagmire.

    So here’s a reprise of something I wrote three years ago. Let’s revisit it and see whether or not any of the current disaster, political and humanitarian, could have been anticipated.


    From Three Years Ago:

    As for intervening in Syria, the United Nations does not say to do it. The United Kingdom voted against it, the first time in two decades the UK has not supported U.S. military action [the UK later changed it’s policy and is now involved across the Middle East again]. The U.S. Congress will not have an opportunity to vote on it, though many members have reservations. Many in our own military have doubts. Half of all American oppose it. Why does the president insist America must attack Syria?

    Obama’s reasons seem vague at best, something from the 19th century about “firing a shot across Assad’s bow” as if this is a pirate movie. Or maybe protecting the U.S., though Syria (and others) have had chemical weapons for years without threatening the U.S. Even Saddam did not use chemical weapons against the U.S. during two American-led invasions of his own country. To protect the women and children of Syria? If that is the goal, the U.S. might best send doctors and medicine to the refugee camps, and nerve gas antidotes into Syria itself.

    Vagueness is a very poor basis for the U.S. entering into another war in the Middle East, throwing itself deeper into a chaotic and volatile situation it little understands.

    So let’s reprise our handy questions summary:

    — The U.S. is intervening in Syria’s civil war because maybe it was Assad who used poison gas.

    — The poison gas killed a couple of thousand people. A horrible thing by any measure.

    — Close to 100,000 people have been killed in the Syrian civil war to date [in 2013; the death toll is now likely in the millions].

    — The U.S. is thus going to war again in the Middle East because a tiny percentage of the deaths were caused by gas instead of artillery, aerial bombs, machine guns, tanks, rockets, grenades, car bombs, mines, bad food, or sticks and stones.

    Because it seems Obama is not asking himself some important questions, here’s a list he may wish to consult:

    — Is it Iraq again? That went well.

    — Does it have oil?

    — Does it pose a direct threat to America, i.e., knife to our throat?

    — Can you define specifically what U.S. interests are at stake (no fair just citing generic “world peace” or “evil dictator” or a magical “red line”)?

    — Does the Chemical Weapons Treaty say it is the U.S.’ job to take punitive action against violators? [Trick question; it does not.]

    — Is Syria’s evil dictator somehow super-worse than the many other evil dictators scattered across the world where the U.S. is not intervening?

    — Did Syria attack any U.S. forces somewhere? Kidnap Americans? Commit 9/11?

    — Does the U.S. have a specific, detailed follow-on plan for what happens if Assad departs or is killed?

    — Does the U.S. have a specific plan to ensure weapons given to the rebels, some of whom are openly al Qaeda [Now ISIS], won’t migrate out of Syria as they did in Libya?

    — Does the U.S. believe its secret deal with the “rebels” whoever the hell they are to hand over Syria’s chemical weapons after they take power is airtight?

    — With that in mind, can the U.S. tell with accuracy the “good” rebels from the “bad” rebels?

    — Has the U.S. considered in detail what affect a rebel (Sunni) victory in Syria will have on chaotic Iraq next door and the greater Middle East?

    — What are the possible unintended consequences of another military strike? Are they worth whatever is hoped to be gained by the strike?

    Obama, if the answer was “No” to any of the above questions, you should not intervene in Syria.

    NOTE: Obama did intervene, and golly, who could have thought it, look what happened!




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    • John Poole said...

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      Assad has studied well the duplicity of the US (Hussein and Gaddafi flunked as students). That explains his tenacity and tactics. He knew how to survive the R2P ruse America uses to justify invasions.

      09/2/16 9:14 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

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      …As has Kim Jong Un and the folks in Tehran. Not giving up those nukes. Our own dirty deeds ensure nuclear proliferation as a hedge against us.

      09/2/16 11:07 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Bonus question… What make$ the MIC happy?

      09/2/16 9:33 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Chuck- I feel we need to add another C to the MIC acronym.
      It should be Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex. MICC Congress is an equal partner in the US war machine.

      09/2/16 9:41 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Extra bonus ?’s! Why do so many states have so many jobs based on the micc ? Why do so many Congress critters get donations from them? To control. Obey. Wage Peace, and hopefully the anti war movement will rise up again like 3 years ago to stop the profits of the 1% creating terror in Syria and around the world. Bernie supported the F- 35 in Vt. for jobs. It’s sick (for profit). Should the two parties start a non profit “D&R War Foundation” to fund campaigns? Will Obama $tart a Foundation for a library and mOre?

      09/2/16 9:59 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      Checking out the news these days, it might seem pretty clear why the U.S. is at war in Syria: foreign policy is run by a bunch of whores who allow the corporations aka the Pentagone to rob US blind.

      09/2/16 10:15 AM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

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      Syriass and Iraniac signposts on the serial PNAC-Attacking Poppy Bush (CIA) Company, Road To Moscow! Release the Gorgons : https://yankeedoodlesoc.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/hillary-medusa.jpg

      09/2/16 11:01 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      The US is a rotten Apple

      The U.S. political process has been effectively captured by U.S. corporations at all levels. This manifests itself both via the cancer of campaign finance as well as troublesome hiring trends. For example, former officials of the Obama Administration have already taken quite a number of senior management positions with Silicon Valley firms. More are to follow.

      Given those two realities, the question is whether anybody in political power in the United States will stand up to these corporations or let them have free rein. Unfortunately, that is largely a purely rhetorical question.

      09/2/16 12:40 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      I hear crickets.

      09/2/16 2:00 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      That also explains why we shouldn’t expect those in federal law enforcement to turn against their employer. Once they retire they hope to work in the private sector and the private sector doesn’t like “snitches” either. Punishing consequences for doing the right thing last a lifetime.

      09/2/16 2:01 PM | Comment Link

    • jo6pac said...

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      #5

      http://www.businessinsider.com/this-map-explains-the-f-35-fiasco-2014-8

      They left out China, they’re making a part for the engine.

      Enjoy and most if not all weapons are now made this way to control congresscritters

      09/2/16 6:05 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      6pac- clever of the weapons industry to entangle as many states in their production programs. Parcel out the manufacturing across the continent and both the House and Senate become your partners. Welcome to the
      MICC (congressional is now added).

      09/2/16 11:17 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...

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      Clinton has said that imposing a “no-fly zone” over Syria and getting rid of al Assad will be her first priority upon gaining the WH.

      You’re going to have to post this article yet again in a few months, Peter.

      09/3/16 6:54 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

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      Keeping it handy, yes. The old Iraq and Libya ones, too.

      09/3/16 8:22 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Bauer- so far as I can tell rain is still free. I think you meant free reign.

      09/3/16 9:37 PM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...

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      Teri: “Clinton has said that imposing a “no-fly zone” over Syria and getting rid of al Assad will be her first priority upon gaining the WH.

      You’re going to have to post this article yet again in a few months, Peter.”

      Yeah, if you miss the Bill Clinton foreign policies, don’t worry. They will be back. Candidate HRC is not strong in policy-making, including strategic or innovative, and will likely fall back on her spouse’s old bag of (populist) tricks, if elected.

      09/4/16 4:45 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      “Checking out the news these days, it might seem pretty clear why the U.S. is at war in Syria” —the news are all the lies that are fit to print.

      https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/772280147521179653

      09/4/16 10:03 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      09/4/16 10:36 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      You won’t find news like this on the Post – because Amazon is a big tax cheat too:

      http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Robert-Reich/2016/0904/Why-won-t-the-US-stand-up-to-Apple-like-the-EU-just-did

      09/4/16 10:39 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Meanwhile, our wonerful LIYING sacks of shit DOD, carry’s on their bullshit …

      Read this and get a laugh at these lying motherfuckers…
      quote”
      Boeing eventually acquiesced, and the Defense Department settled the suit with a single-page letter listing the sum total of bonuses paid to Boeing from Dec. 31, 2001, to March 1, 2015.

      The figure: $1,959,072,946. unquote

      http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boeing-bonuses-20160831-snap-story.html?track=lat-pick

      Yes, we live in the DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET.

      09/4/16 7:09 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Speaking of the DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET, that couldn’t find their ass with two hands and a mirror, let alone see what thier future has in store, at least people in some place in Africa, vs anywhere Mainsteet USA, are finding out what the future is likely to bring, meaning their lives, and ours, are in a constant state of surveillance..PERIOD.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyT7yzap1Wc

      Fuck these monsters.

      09/4/16 7:22 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      And yet, Mr. Binney lays out more of the REAL monster..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERzOywUxqI

      09/4/16 8:01 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      Pitch, Binney missed the problem. Machines are not the problem or the solution. The NSA says it’s “collection”. Binney says it’s “selection”. The problem is NSA’s human intelligence to analyze what it has. The failure to stop 9-11 is a prime example. Innocent Americans are caught in the dragnet while the bad guys go unchecked or ignored. The NSA is a blind giant flailing about,fearful that the public will realize it’s a waste of taxpayer money.

      09/5/16 7:40 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

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      Caveat: some (not Binney) believe the NSA’s “misses” on 9/11 and other terror attacks were not accidents but purposeful enablers to allow the fear-based state to thrive. What’s a few American victims when the whole enterprise is at stake?

      09/5/16 9:13 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Liar, Liar,pants on fire…Obama at press conf. today said we need the TPP to help labor !

      09/5/16 9:29 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      The TV film BY DAWN’S EARLY LIGHT is worth a view. In it the Secretary of the Interior ends up running the USA during a nuclear dust up with Russia. Darren McGavin as Condor seems the perfect Donal Trump blustery fool.

      09/5/16 9:32 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      Speaking of liars, let US give a Labor Day shout-out to the “elite” Wash Post that EVERYBODY KNOWS is a AMAZING waste of good paper:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/everyone-seems-to-hate-online-reader-comments-heres-why-i-treasure-them/2016/09/04/59869f96-704b-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html

      09/5/16 10:04 AM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      Knowing that the US is a Police State run by a bunch of liars-war criminals, why does anyone stand for the national anthem?

      09/5/16 10:27 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      More will not stand for it, and what is happening. Enjoy. Labor for Peace and Justice.

      09/5/16 10:52 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Over $200,000 an hour speaking to Banksters is a Livable Wage.

      09/5/16 11:01 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Where is The Pieman. I have spent Labor days with Bernie. Today I would Pie him. Killery/2016

      09/5/16 11:03 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      The Pie Man I speak of is a guy who used to throw pies in hypocrites faces.

      09/5/16 11:09 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      time out !

      09/5/16 12:35 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      wemeantwell said…
      24

      “Caveat: some (not Binney) believe the NSA’s “misses” on 9/11 and other terror attacks were not accidents but purposeful enablers to allow the fear-based state to thrive.”

      Yeah, and count me among them. after reading what Thomas Drake said about certain files/info he found while working at the NSA, proving top officials knew information that could have prevented 9/11, I finally realized the depth of depravity that these scum sucking psychopaths have sunk to. But what really sucks, is the depth of America’s denial.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyT7yzap1Wc

      09/5/16 1:10 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      “The NSA’s “misses” on 9/11… were not accidents but purposeful enablers to allow the fear-based state to thrive.”

      Binney also knows it was a total clusterfuck. The CIA, FBI,and NSA were more interested in power than sharing the intelligence and credit. That’s the part that was not accidental. Hey. I worked with these clowns for 30 years. I know how they think.

      09/5/16 2:27 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      Our hypocrisy is EXCEPTIONAL:

      White House officials said Obama would confront the Philippines President about his country’s handling of drug dealers, including extra-judicial killings, or government executions without the benefit of judicial proceedings. Drone on.

      09/5/16 7:38 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      rich bauer said…

      “Binney also knows it was a total clusterfuck. The CIA, FBI,and NSA were more interested in power than sharing the intelligence and credit.”

      Yes. Meanwhile the DFCOTFOTP, doesn’t have a fucking clue, even if their future depended on it. Meanwhile, their KIDS are being surveilled, on a world wide basis, by some kind of sick, motherfucking creepy, Orwellian mind fucked up part of the NSA, to find, encourage, trick, mind kidnap, finance, and do anything in the NSA’s power, to capture young minds that have something the NSA wants. IF, this isn’t the MOST Orwellian, sick, fucked up, and otherwise psychopathic agenda ever to spawn on the face of this planet, I’ll vomit and eat it.

      quote”This month, the NSA will give Forsyth Tech funding under President Obama’s Cybersecurity National Alliance Plan for the K-12 Pathway Initiative pilot program.

      This program is aimed at getting primary and secondary school students interested in cybersecurity careers since experts say by 2020 there will be 1.5 million unfilled jobs in the profession.

      “We’re wanting to reach students at a younger age and bring that awareness that security is something they need to be aware of wherever they are, whatever they’re doing — posting to Facebook, Twitter, all of their devices,” said Shortt.

      Preparing students in our area for the technology of and the careers of tomorrow.

      The NSA will formally announce funding for both cybersecurity programs and the “K-12 Pathway Initiative” mid-month.

      Both programs will begin early next year.”unquote

      What I want to know, is SINCE WHEN, do “agency’s…like the NSA, are given the power, and budget, to, according to the Constitution, do that which only the CONGRESS has be authorized to do?

      Hahahahahahahahahha!!! right.

      bartender,…2 shots of 100prf Git a grip.

      09/5/16 8:03 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      09/5/16 8:04 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      rich bauer said…

      “Our hypocrisy is EXCEPTIONAL:”

      Our???? Speak for yourself Rich. I NEVER, EVER, in one second of my life on this planet, ever thought that somehow, being born in “America”.. made me..some how…”exceptional”. In fact..that premise makes me want to puke.

      09/5/16 8:19 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      “White House officials said Obama would confront the Philippines President about his country’s handling of drug dealers, including extra-judicial killings, or government executions without the benefit of judicial proceedings. Drone on.”

      So Mr. D tells his citizens it’s okay to kill anyone they think is a threat to him and his country, while Mr. O thinks it’s okay to kill anyone he thinks is a terrorist, including Americans. So what’s stopping them from killing each other? Absolutely nothing. My money’s on Mr. O.

      09/7/16 8:03 AM | Comment Link

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