• Was Bin Laden Right About 9/11?

    September 12, 2016

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    Posted in: Afghanistan, Iraq

    9-11


    #NeverForget911 . Wait, did something happen yesterday besides #ClintonCollapse ? I forgot.


    OK, ok, serious now. It’s been 15 years now people, so we can talk about this kind of thing, ‘kay? That’s what anniversaries are for, after all.


    Peter Bergen, at CNN, who is often the sanest clown in the CNN circus, tell us that al Qaeda really blew it on 9/11.

    “Like the attack on Pearl Harbor,” says Bergen, “9/11 was a great tactical victory for America’s enemies. But in both these cases the tactical success of the attacks was not matched by strategic victories. Quite the reverse.” He goes on to remind us the U.S. totally kicked Japan’s butt.

    Now it can get a little fuzzy when you try to jam 9/11 and al Qaeda into the Saving Private Ryan narrative framework. So it’s important to understand what Bergen thinks al Qaeda’s goal was with the attacks 15 years ago. I’ll quote him so when I call him an idiot a bit later, you’ll understand my reasoning:

    “Bin Laden believed that al Qaeda’s attacks on New York and Washington would result in an American withdrawal from the Middle East. Instead, the United States quickly toppled the Taliban and al Qaeda… The United States not only did not reduce its influence in the Middle East, but it also established or added to massive bases in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. And, of course, it also occupied both Afghanistan and Iraq. Bin Laden’s tactical victory on 9/11 turned out to be a spectacular strategic flop.”

    Um, OK.


    Bergen is an idiot. Al Qaeda got much, much more than it ever hoped for out of 9/11, and Bergen’s silly retelling of al Qaeda’s goals is part and parcel of what drives American foreign policy off a cliff on a daily basis in the Middle East.

    Japan was a nation set on territorial conquest in WWII. It bombed Pearl Harbor to destroy as much of America’s Navy as it could to buy itself as much time as it could to conquer as much as it could across the Pacific before America got back on its naval feet. Standard war as it has been since Caesar.

    Terrorists fight a different war, a political one. They don’t have navies. They have guys who hijack planes.


    Quite the opposite of what Bergen says, al Qaeda did not want America to withdraw from the Middle East, he wanted to pull America into a Middle Eastern quagmire as deep and sticky as possible. This would drive recruits to al Qaeda’s cause, establishing with global certainty the west was at war with Islam.

    That worked; see Islamic State, and the way war and chaos has spread from edge-to-edge in the region, as well as the presence of so-called lone wolves in the U.S. and Europe. And remember, on 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and Libya were all stable countries and there were no lone wolves in California and Florida.

    Bin Laden did almost blow it. He expected the west to bog down in the graveyard of Afghanistan very quickly, but that didn’t happen. The early successes that drove the Taliban out of governing and into the mountains were done with very few troops and relatively clean bombing attacks. It was after that the Afghan war grew messy, when reconstruction and democracy and all that became the new goals interlaced with the U.S. having new tolerance for the nasty bastards running Pakistan.


    And, of course, the crown jewel of bin Laden’s success, the invasion of Iraq.

    Bush’s invasion of Iraq was so transparently pointless to everyone but most Americans that it made concrete all the things bin Laden was saying: America was at war with Islam, America sought to conquer the Middle East, America wanted the oil, and so forth. But even bin Laden could not have hoped for the free gifts his cause got out of the invasion: the chance for al Qaeda to set up shop in Iraq, the massacre at Fallujah when the Marines reduced the city to medieval rubble, the images of torture from Abu Ghraib, the jihadi training grounds at prison Camp Bucca, and, of course, the overall Sunni-Shia clusterf*ck the invasion ended up as. You know, the one that is driving the current ISIS war today.

    And never mind the U.S. destruction of the Libyan state, America’s clumsy hand in crushing the Arab Spring, the growth of Islamic State and the little wars between the Turks and the Kurds, in Yemen, and more to come. Chaos and failed states favor the terrorists.

    As Canadian historian Gwynne Dyer, a guy we all should be listening to said, “It is hard enough for Westerners to recognize that their attackers actually have a coherent strategy and are not simply mad fanatics motivated by hatred. To accept that these terrorist attacks are not really about Western countries at all, but merely an attempt to use the overreaction of Western countries to create change in the Middle East, is beyond their understanding.”

    What Peter Bergen cannot seem to understand himself is bin Laden was practicing a kind of tough love when he staged the 9/11 attacks, to bring the wrath of the United States down on innocent Muslims to radicalize and politicize them. It is, bin Laden (and now ISIS) believe, for their own long-term good.


    We’ll need to wait longer to find out if the U.S. will ever get it. See you next year for the next anniversary of 9/11.



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    • rich bauer said...

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      Or perhaps Clinton’s Collapse on 9-11 was Fate’s way of telling US that, no matter how we deny it, we have to pay for our stupid decisions.

      09/12/16 12:50 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Pearl Harbor was a preemptive strike against the USA which the Japanese rightfully assumed would eventually be drawn into the war against them. They didn’t count on America dropping two atomic bombs on their soil. Bergen’s bragging that the USA kicked Japan’s butt in retaliation suggests we did it the conventional way. It was hardly a conventional butt kicking.

      09/12/16 1:20 PM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

      3

      Or they’re US’ PNAC Attack stepping stones (ala Clark) on the way to Oceaniac WWIII with East/EurAsia (China & Russia); together with respective 5th Column TPP/TTIP Coalition “allies” in collateral economic assaults!

      09/12/16 2:54 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Pardon Snowden.

      09/12/16 3:35 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Certain causes really make you have a gut feeling.

      09/12/16 3:37 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Peter said:

      “Bergen is an idiot.”

      Word.

      09/12/16 6:06 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Obama says he will veto the suit against the Saudis for 9/11 by certain parties. The Saudis own him too? What a weakling male-just wanting to serve the rich whohe worships. Who knew the “devil” actually ruled this world (the devil’s dung being that black ooze where he took a giant dump many years ago. OK, have some fun. Devil? Huh?

      09/12/16 6:06 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      All this secrecy, the bitch is hiding something big. Just hope Wikileaks gets it hands on the smoking gun before the election. If not, HRC will make her history – first woman presidense, first woman presidense impeached.

      09/12/16 6:08 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      chuck said…

      “Pardon Snowden.”

      word x10.

      Meanwhile.. fuck Bush, Cheney, Obama, the CIA, the NSA, the DOJ, the DEA, the FAA, the DHS, the IRS, the VA, notwithstanding, Michael Hayden, James Clapper, Capt. Startrek Alexander, Bolton, Brenner, Rodriquez, et al and all the scumsucking owned neocon psychopathic, murdering, war mongering criminals who have brought us to final chapter of Orwell’s vision. May god send them to hell for eternity.

      09/12/16 6:15 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      rich bauer said…

      “All this secrecy, the bitch is hiding something big. Just hope Wikileaks gets it hands on the smoking gun before the election.”

      I’ve got $100 that says Assaunge has something he’s waiting for the right moment to thrust into the heart of the Clinton campaign that will kill this abomination forever. Unfortunately.. that leaves the other abomination. There is no win in this political, fiasco.
      Just like Revelations says.

      09/12/16 6:26 PM | Comment Link

    • gregj said...

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      Well, about the attack on Pearl Harbor. I am no expert — I just read books — but one explaination was that Japan expected that a devastating blow to the U.S. Fleet would stop them from pursuing war against Japan — an “honor” thing, that Japan was so obsessed with.

      Ironically, the Oil reserves nearby were left alone. So after PH, America still had resources to fight back.

      History is not “Occam’s razor”. It is “The more complicated answer is probably the more correct.”

      09/12/16 10:01 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      Let US face it, people. If the United States isn’t killing people in foreign places, it’s killing people right here in the good ol’ USA. “Land of the free” to kill, we are a sick fuck country loaded with assault weapons just looking for an excuse. Consider this official moron -(yeah, I know Kentucky, what do you expect):

      Kentucky Republican Gov. Matt Bevin warned that Americans may have to “physically” fight to preserve religious and conservative values if Hillary Clinton is elected president in November, saying that “blood” would need to be shed to “reclaim” those principles.

      “I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don’t have to do it physically,” Bevin said in a speech at the Values Voters Summit Saturday in Washington, D.C. “But that may, in fact, be the case.”

      If you think he’s just shooting off his mouth, think again.

      09/13/16 9:28 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Pagliano today didn’t even show at the senate hearing after being given immunity to testify. He of course pleaed the fifth via counsel awhile back and three others who did appear today took the 5th.-you know that old right to not self incriminate. I think we need a T shirt: “Real Men Don’t plead the 5th!” or Women like men who would never plead the 5th.

      09/13/16 1:08 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Obama: “I really want to help elect Hillary!” Duh! He stole her spot in 2008. It would have made more sense to have had her run in 2008 and him in 2016 or 2012. They are both of the same cloth-monsters posing as humans.

      09/13/16 5:41 PM | Comment Link

    • rich bauer said...

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      “They are both of the same cloth-monsters posing as humans.”

      While they are both transparent as mud, Hillarious is astoundingly stupid, posing as an educated fool. She should follow George Costanza’s example and do everything the opposite. Her latest bout of stupidity- minimizing pneumonia- could have killed her – and wouldn’t that be a shame.

      09/13/16 6:53 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      16

      Standing Rock / 2016

      09/13/16 7:14 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      17

      Meanwhile, the bloody remains of the past STILL refuse to die. Hopefully, things that seem irrelevant today, will float to the pond scum filled surface of the WDC cesspool to such extent that mainstream followers of the history of the Bush/Clinton regimes will finally be awarded some simulance of satisfaction that will finally put to rest their interest in the historical record of these scum sucking reprobates.

      To start, one must go back to the DOJs theft of Promis software/ debacle, it’s relation to the IRAN/CONTRA, Mena Arkan sa, CIA drug running, Seal, aircraft, Foster, Oliver North and all it entailed. Yet, you don’t have to research. TODAY, records and research over the decades since, are finally producing astounding revelations as to the connections, the lies, and the actors who participated in one of the most profound deceptions ever perpetrated in the name of… well..National Security. …my ass.

      One can do no better than start HERE.. and work backwords.

      http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3326

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB854491476811028000

      https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/08/28/cia-lied-to-congress-in-their-briefing-about-vince-foster-barry-seal-and-the-inslaw-scandal/

      There are a THOUSAND links within those articles to bring you up to date. All said..these revelations only serve to PROVE the depravity, lies, murders perpetrated by our wunnerful USG. Welcome to the Matrix.

      09/13/16 7:55 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Is there a good Company airport/international in Arkansawhat ?

      09/13/16 8:09 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      19

      Today, my day was made when a native american women joined myself and others on the streets in Albany. It was her first protest ever (she was I guess 30). We will meet next week. Stand with Standing Rock…

      09/13/16 8:23 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Pitch- the perverse USG DOES represent the majority of Americans. The citizens of this exceptional nation are quite content with what their government does in their name. You are in a teeny tiny minority which demands accountability for immoral inhumane behavior. Treasure anyone close who shares your views. They are a rare find.

      09/13/16 8:50 PM | Comment Link

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