• Trump, Victim Shaming, Coincidences and Some Questions About the New York Times

    October 15, 2016

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    I do not like Donald Trump. I don’t support what he says about women in any way. I’m not voting for him. But I am concerned about how the media is handling this election, and I am (cautiously) calling bullsh*t. So go ahead and hate me, but…


    — In the week ahead of the second presidential debate, Trump threatened more than once he would bring up Bill Clinton’s infidelities.

    — After sitting on the information for 11 years of Trump media attention, including during his celebrity run on his Apprentice show, Billy Bush releases the now-infamous “pussy grabbing” tape the Friday before the second presidential debate. It would have made a splashy story at many points in the past, but no one surfaced it.

    — On Sunday night, 48 hours later, Clinton, aided by moderator Anderson Cooper, repeatedly brings up the tape. Cooper is, if not the first, the first mainstream voice to state Trump’s 11-year-old lewd words are in fact sexual assault. He insists Trump answer the question of whether or not he has committed a sexual assault, a first in the history of presidential questioning, a live-on-TV admission of felony guilt. Trump says no.

    — A couple of days after that, the New York Times front pages a story where two women accuse Trump of sexual assault. One woman said the previously-unreported incident with Trump took place over 30 years earlier. The other woman’s accusations related to an event 11 years earlier. In their article, the Times did not interview any collaborating witnesses.

    — Since those accusations, a steady stream of new accusations have come out. Any planned Trump statements about Bill Clinton’s infidelities are ripped off the media agenda.


    Some Questions

    Did none of the many, many Republican primary candidates do any opposition research about Trump during the months and months of the primary season? Given the apparent accessibility of Trump sexual assault material, how was none of this found by Trump’s earlier opponents, who were certainly digging for dirt? A Ted Cruz or a Marco Rubio could have knocked Trump out of the race in April with half this information.

    Similar question; did no media investigate Trump’s background during his 18 months of candidacy?

    Coincidences happen, just not as often as we’d like to believe. Was any of the timing of any of this indeed coincidental, given much of this information was never reported for decades but is now front paged a few weeks before the election?

    I am well-aware of the reasons a woman might choose not to report an attack for many years. I am not calling any of the accusers liars. I am however skeptical when after 30 years, during which Trump was in the media spotlight, and then another 18 months of Trump as a leading candidate, the accusations emerge only weeks before the election, timed nearly to the day with bookended presidential debates.


    And the big one.

    What process did the New York Times pursue before it decided to print the stories of the two initial Trump accusers? How did the Times vett their stories? If I were to walk into the Times’ newsroom today and report that either Trump or Hillary had inappropriately touched me in 1979, what process would unfold at the Times before my statement was published?

    I’m not being a smartass. I am not “victim shaming.” I do not believe asking these questions, especially the procedural questions about how the Times conducted its journalism, amounts to victim shaming. This is politics. No one is saying they are suing Trump, or engaged in a criminal case against him. None of these accusations will ever be tried before a jury or subjected to any examination other than in the media. It is at this point pure politics. We should, can, and need to talk about this.

    I am talking about a series of media events that are likely to change the outcome of this election, and send one candidate to the White House out of what was 10 days ago a virtual tie of a race.

    With all of the statements Russia is somehow trying to manipulate our election, it seems worthy of at least a couple of answers when it may be that the election manipulation is taking place right here at home.


    NOTE: OK, so I guess we do need to go there. I do not make any of these statements lightly. A close relative of mine was the victim of unwanted sexual attention by a man in a position of power over her. She was not believed by the organization or any third party when she came forward. I watched her suffer. Justice was not done in her case. I get it. So don’t embarrass yourself by dismissing these concerns by calling me some hater name.



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    • Where’s the candidate? | teri's random thoughts said...

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      […] Trump, Victim Shaming, Coincidences and Some Questions About the New York Times […]

      10/15/16 4:30 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      My first statements would be…

      And I’m trying to take them in order..

      I don’t like Trump either, so… No hate here…I just think he’s ‘safer’ than Killary.

      Second…. What makes you think there was any vetting?
      Of any type?
      It is just agenda. That’s it.

      Third.
      My wife, she’s had a stalker. “Unwanted sexual advances”.
      It went on for years. Before I met her. He tried every isolation tactic you can imagine.
      The guy, it finally ended, when he tried to corner her, she hit him with a heavy piece metal… Commonly called a piece of pipe. When he awoke in the hospital… She apparently never had problem after that.
      Something to do with 5 years of quality time in prison.

      Third: part two:
      I have had a stalker, as well. Still do.
      I’ve been there, done that.
      But, the stalker…. Most dangerous of them all.
      Her original motivation was the hiding of a crime. A MAJOR crime.
      The stalker was a school board member. I was a single parent. Full custody. At that point, my son and I had not heard from my ex-nightmare in several years.
      Heavily involved in my sons schooling, life, etc.
      Was at the school all the time, in a variety of capacities.
      Mistaken for staff more than once. Involved to the extent of being asked to become school board.

      Because of that involvement, a parent came to me about a series of assaults against her son. By to other ‘boys’. At the school. During school hours.

      When it was taken before the school board, my stalker stated, during the board meeting,
      ” You can’t really blame the school for what has happened to that boy, after all he does not come from the best of families!”

      Sometime, I might state my rather… Immature… Response to that…. I should feel bad about my response….. Just have not worked up to that emotion on that matter yet….. 😉

      My stalkers response after this was to begin a years long project of smear, attack, discrediting’ … Etc. ….and I mean every stunt you have ever heard of. Involved media, law enforcement, slander, libel, gossip…. So, when I say EVERYTHING, I mean everything. Including attempting to find Every person who had ever known me in an attempt to ISOLATE me from any support. Of any kind. Including having my ex-nightmare help her.

      It took a 2,000 mile move to finally put an end to it.
      Which worked out for me. Bigtime. Bigtime, like you can not imagine.

      So, my point is…
      My wife and I see both sides of the allegations,
      My wife believes the Allegations are bullshit.
      And she does not like Trump at all. She’s dislikes Hillary even more. But she sees many of the stunts that were pulled on her by her attacker, stalker.

      I see the same stunts that were pulled on me.

      In both cases, there were agendas.
      My wifes stalkers agenda, was to be able to attack her, and get away with it.
      My stalkers agenda, was to hide a crime. And boy howdy….my stalker is a flipping over the top nutcase.

      PVB, you used the word ” coincidence “. No such thing. Especially in politics.
      And, as you pointed out, everyone and their brothers cousin’s dog has been looking for dirt on Trump.

      And I swear, as near as I can tell, nutcases, whether they be a attempted rapist, a school board member, the crazy lady down the road, who cheats on her 3 bronze, and 2 silver stars husband of 30 years, Anderson Cooper with his yet to be exposed compensation’s for his ‘mediation/ moderation’s, or a life time politician, who has spent years practicing to cover things up that her twisted husband has done, ….. I swear….they all go to the library, and pick up the book….” Nutcases are us. 10,000 ways to hide your insanity, and agenda ”

      And, after all…. John Hinkley was a stalker… With an agenda.
      He tried to kill a president to satisfy his obsession.

      M

      10/15/16 5:00 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      PS.

      How “powerful” they must, of course, feel. The wanton destruction they cause.

      Something like the current trend in the US of publishing every detail of a ‘arrest’ to the media.
      What better way to insure a fair and non- biased trial.

      How weak law enforcements cases must be, if they have to use published gossip to attempt to win a case.

      And that is total BULLSHIT as well.

      And I work with law enforcement pretty regular as a contractor. So, no, no cop hate in me.

      M

      10/15/16 5:19 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      PS 2

      For an ” E.F. Hutton” moment….my wife and I agree again ( yes, pitchfork, that happens actually quite a bit). It is recommended to read the following.

      https://terisrandomthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/10/14/wheres-the-candidate/

      M

      10/15/16 7:58 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Will Trump urinate on stage at the last debate? Will Hillary tell the Truth? Stay tuned, it’s a fixed gameshow by the MIC and 1%,Go U$A.

      10/15/16 8:26 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      (sighing-shaking head while rising from bed while thinking…fuck…another day watching the USS Titanic sink slowly to the bottom of the cesspool)

      Goddamn I hate waking up anymore. As if facing another Michigan winter weren’t bad enough.. facing another fucking day of watching the Dumbest Fucking Country on the Planet writhe in self induced convoluted contortions of slow death, while the screams of agony echo across the interwebs… fuck. If I had the guts, I’d pull the plug…(to the internet, for those who think I meant something else). Unfortunately, I don’t have the guts. I need it. Like everyone else. But..I digress.

      Meanwhile, Matt Tabbi salves my mental state with his usual blistering assessment of the current political mindfuck with wickedly brilliant observations parallel to my own thoughts..like..

      quote:”Our national experiment can’t end because one aging narcissist got bored of sex and food. Not even America deserves that. But that doesn’t mean we come out ahead. We’re more divided than ever, sicker than ever, dumber than ever. And there’s no reason to think it won’t be worse the next time.”unquote

      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943

      No reason to think it won’t be worse the next time.

      sheeezus. Just when you think we’ve already hit the bottom.

      bartender.. Two shots of 100prf Next Time and a bottle of the Worse Beer on the Planet. Can’t be too prepared..right? Right.

      10/15/16 8:49 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Chuck,

      Too cool…. Way too cool.

      M

      10/15/16 10:12 AM | Comment Link

    • b. traven said...

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      GROW UP! All of you. It shocks me that any of you seem to not understand the shame a woman feels from having overpowered and forced to have sex.. To date over 11 women have come out to tell their Trump stories of assault. America has a real problem with this sex thing and men are the problem. My close relative was raped at 21 and had the baby. The shame is still there. Read this story. Rape is a a national problem in the ole US of A and men who give it short shrift are the guilty ones. Read this.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/15/why-it-took-me-decades-to-name-my-abuser.html

      10/15/16 2:04 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      b. traven said…

      “GROW UP! All of you. It shocks me that any of you seem to not understand the shame a woman feels from having overpowered and forced to have sex.”

      I don’t know where you got that idea, and I can’t speak for anyone but myself… but.. fuck off. I don’t need to “grow up”. I’m 71, and have NEVER said anything remotely in line with Trump, or anything that resembles what you suggest here. So take your indignation and shove it.

      10/15/16 3:32 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      Btw, given I’m NOT a woman, and have no idea what a woman feels after being sexual assaulted, but the idea that a woman would feel “shame”, when they are the victim, seems absurd to me. If I WERE a woman, I wouldn’t feel any shame…I’d be feeling MURDER.

      10/15/16 3:36 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      B.traven …

      My wife says…

      “What ‘bloodypitchfork’ said!!!”

      She had a few other things to say as well…
      Mostly questioning how horrid your childhood must have been, and the kind of abuses you must have endured, to not be able to recognize when your being played as a pawn by a highly trained, spin doctor, with her own agenda.

      Her suggestion is for you to NOT add alcohol to your existing medications, annd schedule an immediate appt with your therapist.

      I would suggest you follow her advice.

      My advice is a more graphic version of what bloodypitchfork said.

      M

      10/15/16 3:49 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Btw…

      B. Traven…

      Thank you….I have wondered for sometime…

      Exactly whose blood it was on the pitchfork.

      M

      10/15/16 3:55 PM | Comment Link

    • b. traven said...

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      Well as a 92 year old veteran of the US Army Air Corps in WW II I can say I am saddened by the response to my comment. I am mainly saddened because the comments seem to support my thesis that American men lack a fundamental understanding of what women face in our society.
      Try this one. Sit down with your wife and establish a deep rapport and ask her to honestly answer this question: “Please tell me honestly, have you ever been placed in a situation where a man that you were not at all interested in was exerting pressure on you for some sex that made you feel uncomfortable or even fearful?” I would hazard a guess that probably 75-80% of women would answer “yes”.
      As to the matter of shame, shame on you if you read the attachment to the comment and didn’t get it. My close relative who is writing a memoir about her rape has as a working title “Shame”.

      10/15/16 5:31 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch. said...

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      B. Traven.

      Clearly, you did Not read the previous statements, and comments.

      My wife WAS in that situation.
      She handled it immediately. And, quite effectively.

      Then, she immediately called law enforcement.

      She REFUSED to be a victim.

      What has happened to your relative, I’m sorry for,

      However, the essay was about political undrrhanding. It was about people USING people such as your relatives plight, for their own ambitions.

      It was about how if any assaults had occured, then why bring them up now???
      Unless there is a payoff and an agenda.

      You, Sir, should be far more angry at the creation of the reports, than anyone here.

      After all, it does nothing but minimize your relatives situation, and the challenges she has been through.

      M

      10/15/16 5:43 PM | Comment Link

    • b. traven said...

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      Mitch . thank you for your comments. You have been very honest and I will reply in kind. The relative I spoke of is my wife. She is now 75 years old. She was raped by a fellow student in her senior year in college. In those days abortion was not an option, illegal and dangerous. She had the child and 52 years later the child , now 52 years old herself found her mother. We have taken her into our family.
      My wife told me about the ‘incident’ when we first married but only after finding her child did she decide to examine the entire situation in depth. In writing her memoir which she has been working on for over a year I have been helping her examine what she went through. Can you imagine a young woman on the verge of graduating from college to face nine months carrying a baby that she knew ,in those times, would make her a pariah. I can! As we have taken this journey and learned in the last years that 25% of college girls are still being sexually assaulted by the best educated in our society.
      I feel that the Trump situation needed the exposure by the NYT. It opened the door to a real discussion of sexual predation of women. and of course, as in the Cosby case, it isn’t just about “old cases” it has opened the floodgates on the entire world of all men invading women’s bodies. The invasion of another persons body is so close to the sense of shame about bodies that it need not be questioned. Look at the boys violated by Catholic priests. Did they “take it like a man”. No they lived in shame. In this journey with my wife I have begun to see the real miasma we live in our society.

      10/15/16 8:36 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      b. traven said…

      Heartfelt insights into things most people will never endure. I feel for you and your wife. However, it doesn’t give you the right to come here and point fingers at people who never said anything to disrespect women or their plight in sexual predatory actions of men who are animals. That being said.. welcome. We discuss many things here. I hope you can join our little group as you seem like a level headed, mature, and well rounded person with abundant normal emotional reactions to the human condition. That..is why we are all here.

      10/15/16 9:14 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      We need to fly with the pardoned on the Lolitaq Express plane! Come on, lighten up. I was abused by a catholic at 6 years old. He killed himself when truth was revealed. Have a nice day. Have a Bill cigar Clinton fans!

      10/15/16 9:18 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      (lolitta) consensual ?! OK?

      10/15/16 9:19 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

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      ps.. bloodypitchfork said…

      “I hope you can join our little group as you seem like a level headed, mature, and well rounded person with abundant normal emotional reactions to the human condition.”

      vs a hyperbolic alcoholic with a big mouth and a database full of historical acidic Legal Imperialism actions across the face of this planet. Lets dance.

      10/15/16 9:28 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Who did Bill Pardon ? Pardon me. Bill and The Donald are predators. Hillary cackles when some are killed.The USA is terminally ill. The Empire must fail.

      10/15/16 9:28 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Sir.

      I understand, better than you know, about the situation you have outlined.
      Far better than you know.
      I will elaborate futher toward the end of this response.

      Just thinking about elaborating makes my shoulder hurt. A physical memory.
      Do NOT jump to conclusions. You will be wrong.

      You have my deepest sympathy for what you and your wife have been through. And, it is a credit to you that you have clearly supported your wife.

      The Cosby case is far removed from this. Cosby is a predator. Plain and simple. A Monster. Someone that prison is to good for. Much to good.

      The reason I believe that is simple. No motive other that truth. Justice.
      Money, maybe….but…the victims are remaining secret, for the most part. And are Not seeking monetary damages.

      Trump. Did he get free with women. Probably. Is he a rapist. Doubtful.

      Is there a great deal wrong on the college campuses. Oh HELL yeah. Does the entire society need a serious eye opener and wake up call to what’s wrong? Bet your ass it does. BIGTIME!!!!!

      Does it piss me off that what your wife went through, and is going through ? HELL YES, it does!!!!

      Does it really piss me off, beyond all thought, that your wife, and you are clearly being exploited and demeaned for the political motivations of a spin doctor? Grrrrrrr….oh yeah.

      Does it piss me off that a once 14 year old boy, who shot me, is one of the people that are being minimalized, by that same spin Doctor? Like you can not imagine, that pisses me off.

      To explain that….

      I am basically an orphan.
      I have always been rather driven toward success. I put myself through college working for a west coast law enforcement agency.
      Because of how old I looked, I did not spend much time wearing a uniform. That was further enhanced by my..unique…upbringing.

      I saw things, such as what your wife went through, and is going through, more than I want to ever remember.
      The kind of things that wake you at 1am.

      After I earned my masters, I resigned. ” I’m so paranoid…thanks for my degree’s….bye..bye”
      Lucky me, they did not have service exchange policies at that time. ( now, international business, ( selling cattle and wool, mutton overseas. I also own a communications/ networking company, I was told by an agency not so long ago, that I one of the best in the business)

      So….down the rabbit hole…

      One of the assignments I had, was working at one of the inner city high schools. Very rough place. Very dangerous.
      I met a child there. 14 year old boy.
      He and I stay in touch to this day.

      He is doing well now….then….not so good. Feral would be a good word to use.

      He does not know, to this day, why he talked to me that day, sitting in a stairwell….but he did.

      He told me all about what was going to happen to him that night. And, what had been happening to him as far back as he could remember.
      His parents, mommy and daddy, had been renting him out to the highest bidder, since he was 5 years old.
      With mommy and daddy in the house. Just EVIL shit.

      His parents, had also convinced him, that as bad as things were for him…it would be worse if the cops got a hold of him.
      He believed all of that.

      After he told me….he went to class…I broke cover, found a judge and a captain…. Got a raid team…raided the house.
      Mommy went through the coffee table…daddy went through the wall into the bathroom.
      Both of them tried to attack us on entry. With weapons…so…it was very justified. Should have shot them. Those days, it was a different world. Stop was the word. Not kill, as it is now. Those days, if you did a head shot at the range, you were fired. Period.

      The 14 year old…he saw me…. No longer with hair hanging down…now in a ponytail, no longer boots, jeans, trashed T-shirt, no longer in a leather jacket…now, a green uniform, sgt stripes on my sleeves…gun on my hip, cuffs in my hand….

      He had to have felt so betrayed…he said he felt something like that, years later.

      He grabbed daddy’s gun…started busting caps…one in the vest…one in the shoulder.
      They tell me I went down, screaming, ” don’t shoot the kid”.
      I don’t remember. For the record….bullets HURT!!! Even if the vest catches them. REALLY BAD!!!!!!

      In those days, it required officer’s signatures to prosecute. I refused. Now…not the officers decision… Now….that decision is made by someone who has Never been in a car. Never heard gunfire over a radio. Never been shot at. A politician. Someone worried about elections, and how their hair looks on TV.

      It was not that kids fault that his parents were monsters.

      We arrested over the next 11 months, almost a hundred sick bastards because of that day. All over the country.
      We found mommas address book. She even kept records of how much and who paid her.

      Momma and daddy are still in prison.

      Now, that kid….he has a wife, kids…college degree, job…house, …..mortgage….

      I stood with him when he got married.

      I also sat in the room with him when he told his soon to be wife what had happened to him.

      So….damn….been a long time since I went down that rabbit hole…

      But…

      When false allegations are made….such as I honestly believe are being made now about Trump…

      It not only makes it so much harder to get a conviction, ( and let me tell you, getting a rape conviction is a Bitch)

      But, it complely minimizes everything people like your wife, and that 14 year old kid, so long ago, have gone through.

      His name is Peter. He prefers ‘ Pete’. And, NO, he is NOT the Peter who runs this site. Same name, different world.

      And for something as stupid as politics.

      And that Sir,

      Just pisses me off, BIGTIME!

      Sorry for writing the book.

      M

      Btw….Peter, who runs this site, he started it, as I have come to understand, to address corruption and injustice.
      Thought you should know that.
      Peter who runs this site, he came to my attention because of an essay he wrote called ” why we are at war”. It was impressive.
      I found his email, and emailed him.
      He sort of challenged me to jump into the “dangerous ” waters of the comments section.
      Wonder if he is questioning that decision yet?

      For a much more…elegant… Thought process on this…still very straight up…. But much more elegant,

      From a womans point of view …
      Try the link at the top of the comments section…next to the word ” pingback”.
      I have learned to read anything she puts out. Good head on her shoulders.

      M

      10/15/16 10:06 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Well,

      Mr Traven,
      You have been invited by our lovable, …sometimes rabid :-). ) bloodypitchfork.

      M

      10/15/16 10:20 PM | Comment Link

    • b. traven said...

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      Bloody pitch fork and other folks. Peter has an open site and from what I know and admire about him is his ability to stand back from a situation and see the pathos and humor. At my age I tend to shoot from the hip too easily because I don’t have patience anymore.I just don’t have enough time left for patience. Sometimes I am wrong or just don’t have the patience to describe precisely what I intend to mean.
      I also take the world very seriously, too seriously, according to my wife. But after the life I have lived which was very hard as a youth, that is how I am wired. To me the Trump situation and its implication to women( 50% of our population) generally is not a light hearted matter. It goes to the core of the fantasy that we,as a nation, are “exceptional”. The NYT did a service beyond current politics, which for a neo liberal rag is OK by me. I would not diminish the result their story has produced in opening the door for what may make Cosby’s abused list miniscule in comparison. I am a non supporter of Clinton and couldn’t care less whether anything helps or hurts her campaign. I worry about our country and where our people are going. And it doesn’t look good to me.

      10/15/16 10:30 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Mr. Traven,

      The lack of patience does not come from age….

      It comes from paying ATTENTION!!!!

      You and pitchfork are going to get along famously.

      M

      10/15/16 10:38 PM | Comment Link

    • b. traven said...

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      Mitch.. Welcome to the Orphan’s Club. I was raised in an orphan home from the age of 12 after my father committed suicide in 1937.I went straight from the orphan home in 1943 into the Army Air Corps as an Aviation Cadet. I became a high altitude radar bombing specialist training crews for the war in the Pacific.I was discharged in early 1946 after three years of service. At the time I felt sorry for myself having spent a third of my life in very strict regimes. But after much introspection I decided that I had been very lucky because I had experiences that few young men had and they may have been unfortunate but they made me who I am and proud of myself. One learns more from misery than from happiness and more from failure than from success.
      Every orphan should feel that way. We are a unique group. A little different from the nattering crowd.

      10/15/16 10:53 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch. said...

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      Mr. Traven.

      Thank you. And I agree.
      It gives you a very different point of view when your all alone.

      As for being a veteran. We just had a discussion about veterans on the essay preceding this one. It sums up, VERY clearly my thoughts, and many others, all about vets.
      It would the essay about the hospital that the USG spent a ton of cash on.

      Better if you read the comments there

      Other than that….. THANK YOU!!!!!!

      You will understand after you read the comments.

      Beyond that, I think I need to find the wine my wife set out….my shoulder is aching for some reason….
      Damn rabbit hole is a bitch.

      M

      10/15/16 11:02 PM | Comment Link

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    • StarkNakedTruth said...

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      Interesting comments….

      And I’d like to add that the most important thing I’ve learned this election cycle:

      People who will do anything, say anything, and go to extreme (obscene, vicious and often times illegal) measures to get elected in this country, probably shouldn’t be handed the keys to the White House.

      It’s disturbing if you really think about it.

      The follow up question…What would he or she do next? And which is why I refuse to vote. In the past few days, I’ve decided that I’d rather fall on my sword, than have to choose between two inherently evil people.

      It’s no longer a case of simply choosing the lesser of two evils.

      10/16/16 9:05 AM | Comment Link

    • StarkNakedTruth said...

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      Addendum:

      It’s disturbing…and dangerous, if you really think about it.

      10/16/16 9:20 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Naked truth.

      Well, you said a mouthful.

      I figure, they must be nuts to want the job in the first place.
      They become evil to get the job.
      Become more evil to keep the job.

      And, can’t put evil away once they don’t have the job.

      But, of a much funnier statement. From a pure sexist point of view.

      Your alias…. Stark naked truth….

      Have you seen the ” naked news”?

      Amazing what the pursuit of ratings does, huh?

      M

      10/16/16 9:29 AM | Comment Link

    • Kyzl Orda said...

      31

      Thanks for your article, Peter. It really made me think, especially on the flaws that have widened within our system.

      First, both candidates have a problem and should be resigning. The allegations are not surprising – for either side. And they are NOT new. Of course, the Pro-Clinton NY Times and Post are stifling discussion on the Clintons’ own issues raised by various women including HRC’s alleged role in silencing or obfuscating these womens’ own claims.

      I grew up in NYC, went to school in Trump’s ‘hood, and he was a known womanizer. This was reported quite regularly in the local papers at the time. The HRC team should do some ‘splaining why the Clintons attended Trump’s wedding to Melania in light of his crap attitude and treatment towards women. I would love to hear why they thought then it was okay to ‘break bread’ with this guy.

      If any Clinton loyalist tries to justify Clinton didnt know about Trump’s bad character — come on, she was senator in NY how many years? The NY Post alone sourced Trump’s women problems and his recklessness since he was married to Ivana. Why would you attend this guy’s wedding to wife number 3, or is it 4???

      https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+and+trump+wedding&client=opera&hs=5R8&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwili_fOtd_PAhWDbz4KHWx5Cz8Q_AUICCgB&biw=1536&bih=727#imgrc=BK97pmtQSjxfZM%3A

      Second, the candidates represent a cultural malaise in our culture. Just last year, an air force official who (my favourite part) worked in the Sexual Assault Prevention office – was acquitted by a VA jury after he drunkenly and physically groped a woman in a bar parking lot and she slammed him with her cell phone (Forget the war on terror, Mr Tough Guy gets beaten by a woman in a parking lot). Why was he aqcuitted?? He later got a ‘letter of reprimand’ by the Air Force and is able to supervise — other men.

      http://www.stripes.com/news/air-force-to-reprimand-krusinski-rather-than-pursue-court-martial-1.301295

      I’ve had a relative experience rape, so I dont take this topic lightly either. And when I went through my own situation in the State Department, a civil service Union representative whom I had gone to for help propositioned me. That incident made me realize – I was not going to end up in a happy place vis-a-vis the Department and this guy was just jumping on the pile. I did NOT feel comfortable filing yet another complaint – this situation was clearly going down the drain. I felt I would be further blamed – as I already had been blamed for being involved in that whistle blower incident. I fervantly hoped someone would wear the grown up pants in State’s eeo hierarchy, but didn’t happen

      Peter, if you were a person lacking in ethics and conscience, you could have groped some women and still be in your job at State. It’s a disgrace that a whistle blower can be removed poste haste, while sexual harassment at the top is covered up and tolerated. It’s still a ‘see something, keep your mouth shut” culture. And when our leaders can’t be held accountable, brace yourselves for it

      10/16/16 9:35 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      32

      The “other side” of the coin….

      It just as twisted….

      Its not just harassment, rape, child molestate….

      IT’S EVERYTHING!!!!

      Justice and law at the whim, or who you don’t know.

      It is easy to see. Its everywhere. Across the board.
      It is a sickness that has been accepted into every realm of government. Local, county, state, federal.

      All of it is broken. The elections are just a blatant, visible example.

      M

      10/16/16 10:03 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      33

      For the first time in a very long time..I’m at a loss for words… other than.. HOLY MOTHER OF BEJEBUS!!!!
      I should thank my lucky stars I had a normal Navy kid life, a good family, and lot’s of special people around me and things happen in my life that most people never experience. However, nuff about that.

      On a side note, something very interesting happened yesterday. My wife has been selling stuff on ebay for 10 yrs, of which, we make routine trips buying things that catch her eye at the area’s thrift store’s and to pick up local craigslist finds, and she does have a great eye. Mostly because, she has spent those years, researching daily, all kinds of things. Yesterday, during her usual search of Craigslist, she came across an ad for a shitload of old reel to reel audio tapes. As I used to own a recording studio, having sold off most my pro audio gear and tapes on ebay, we knew from experience old audio tape, even consumer grade, is in high demand for good money. So..we make a 25 mile trip to see them. Holy moly. 5 huge boxes, filled to the brim. 300 tapes plus. I couldn’t believe it. She was asking $1 per tape. I offer $100. We settle on $130, load them up and head home.
      This morning, my wife started organizing them by brand. Most of them are like new, with about a quarter having some kind of recordings on them.
      And that brings me to the point. Upon opening the last box, while taking the tapes out, we notice that there was hand written descriptions on the back of each tape box or inside on paper. HOLY FUCK. The very first tape had a hand written description that said… NIXON, CIA, 1968. The next one said..(redacted word)PROPAGANDA . The next one was some kind of military instructions..for what, I don’t know yet. The next one was …well..I better not say. This shit is a total mind fuck. Now, instead of selling these right now, I want to listen to what’s on these tapes.

      Unfortunately, the only tape machine I have left is in dire need of repair and repair shops are far and few between in this day and age. So..we’ll see. She did have 10 old consumer tape machines, that she said her dad owned. She mentioned he was some kind of government audio person. Holy shit. No telling what is on these tapes. I’m going back to buy a couple of machines now. She only want’s $10 per, but doesn’t know if they work or not. We’ll see. Anyway, I’m looking forward to listening to these. I’ll report my findings ASAP. If anything, this guy didn’t keep those tapes for nothing. AND, the boxes were taped up like they were some kind of relic. Anyway…I’ll be back.

      10/16/16 11:47 AM | Comment Link

    • wemeantwell said...

      34

      Um, any news you find, I know a place to publish it, er, right here.

      10/17/16 8:19 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      35

      Holy shit!!!!

      Dude!!!!

      Are you set up to transcribe?????

      Seen any drones yet???

      M

      10/16/16 12:23 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      36

      I was only a year old…

      But, this might give you an idea of what you might find on those.

      http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason

      M

      10/16/16 12:30 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      37

      To emphasize what was being discussed earlier, yesterday, ….

      I do find it….just fucking funny….that they refer to Bill as Killary’s ‘wife’….

      Knew he was a bitch.

      And no, that is not a slur against women, in any way, shape or form. ( my wife would beat me senseless if it was. She is one of the strongest People I have ever known)

      It is a slur against Bill….. And what he would be in PRISON, if lady justice was not in ICU.

      http://foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=3795096.proteus.fma

      M

      10/16/16 1:09 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      38

      Mitch said…

      Holy shit!!!!

      Seen any drones yet???”

      Hahahahaha. er…wait..thats not funny. I don’t know what the fuck I was thinking. Now I wished I hadn’t even mentioned this. geezus. Well..too late now..unless Peter would remove that post for me..please..purty please purtypurty please? christ I can be a dummy sometimes. Insert two rolling eye smiley here. Meanwhile, I need a… wait. SHUT UP DUDE!!

      10/16/16 2:32 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      39

      Holy shit Mitch…

      From the link
      quote:Nixon’s newly revealed records show for certain that in 1968, as a presidential candidate, he ordered Anna Chennault, his liaison to the South Vietnam government, to persuade them to refuse a cease-fire being brokered by President Lyndon Johnson.”
      Holy shit.

      Moreover, this:

      “Nixon’s interference with these negotiations violated President John Adams’s 1797 Logan Act, banning private citizens from intruding into official government negotiations with a foreign nation.”unquote

      Holy shit indeed…ummmm…didn’t Trump just visit Mexico..to “negotiate” the “wall”???

      10/16/16 2:40 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      40

      Pitchfork…

      Speaking as a professional,

      Even if Peter wipes the post, it does not matter. Your ISP still has a copy, and the second it was sent, because of the way the monitoring is done,
      A copy was already filed at the wonderfully, effective NSA.

      And yep,

      Nixon violated it….Killary did , repeatedly, trump did.
      Etc, etc, etc….

      To quote, from long ago.

      “they set aside their law, when and how they choose, and that is not a yoke I wish to live under. ”

      M

      10/16/16 3:04 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...

      41

      I have been thinking about this and I will go ahead and say something that will probably get me in trouble with some people, especially in today’s political climate, where everyone tends to see everything as all or nothing. There is a difference between rape and sexual harassment. There are layers and layers of sexual “predation”, ranging from the funny (ugly as a bulldog dude whistling at a pretty girl, AS IF) and the cute (the guy who yelled out “GREAT hair!” when he drove by me as I walked down a sidewalk, lo those 35 years ago), to the lewd-but-ultimately-harmless (ugly as a bulldog dude saying something completely untoward and openly sexual to a pretty girl, but he doesn’t bother to get up and follow her or even make another remark after that), to the grossly offensive (the pig who called out for me and a friend to “hey, girls, look here” while he was masturbating in his open truck outside a nightclub), to the hands-on accosting of women that people say that Trump does, so on and so forth, all the way to the truly horrendous levels of rape, child molestation, and sexual slavery.

      No-one is accusing Trump of rape, at least none that I have heard of. They are saying he accosted them or assaulted them, and if the stories are true, that is exactly what he did. But I believe there is a difference between that and rape, and we belittle rape victims when we conflate and equate all sexual predation as “rape”. Some of the women telling these stories could have rightfully filed charges for assault. None of them could have brought charges against him for rape. It’s a matter of degree; or to put it the other way, the degree matters. Too bad none of these women ever reported him back when he assaulted them, because if they had, maybe he wouldn’t be the Republican nominee right now. Trump is a skeevy, slimebucket pig who cannot be the president for a whole lot of reasons, not the least of which is the way he treats women, but there’s no need to exaggerate these stories into actual rape. If even just a couple of them are true, they show Trump to be repulsive, gross, and unacceptable. I’m not trying to downplay them – I just think they are bad enough as is; no-one needs to bother with trying to make them worse, if you see what I mean. The really sad thing is that in this year of our Lord 2016, the variant and different degrees of sexual predation still occur with awful and revolting regularity.

      I once had a guy do to me exactly what Trump does to women. He was the husband of a customer in the women’s clothing store where I worked and had come in to buy her a birthday gift. He asked for me, as she was “my” customer. I was only 20 or so; he was in his fifties and very wealthy, at least by the standards of the town. Well, he got me into a corner and suddenly pushed up against me and tried to lay an ardent kiss on me while grabbing my butt. Even though I was pretty naive, easily intimidated, and very young, I didn’t let him just have his way. I pushed him away hard enough to make him stumble and said, “What the hell are you doing?” – loudly. Then I stomped off, found my boss and told him what had just happened. The customer was escorted from the store and asked to never return. And this was in the early 1980s, before women could expect much support from the “old boy” network. The end. It didn’t haunt me for life. (I actually didn’t think of it again until the Trump stories started dominating the news, and even now, it doesn’t “hurt” me to remember it. It was an incident. An annoying, kind of icky one, but not shattering.) I cannot and will not, in any way, try to compare that to the life-altering effects that rape has on a woman. As to why none of the adult, professional women who were likewise assaulted by Trump had the basic gumption to smack his homely face into tomorrow or report him – to someone, anyone – immediately, I can’t fathom. I also can’t understand why they waited this long into the election cycle. They could have taken him out back when Ted Cruz was still getting his campaign positions directly from God, and Marco Rubio was fast-talking his lines like an amphetamine addict. We could have had the clarity of a Clinton-Bush matchup – think of it! Shit, they’d have to have run as each other’s running mates and the pretense of two major parties would be over.

      Look, I’m saying all this as a woman who has been assaulted both physically and sexually (yes, these can be two different things sometimes) a number of times during my 60 years. I see no reason to get into all that, and offered the story most like the Trump stories for the purpose of equivalent example. I know what being the victim of rape is, and I say it is not at all the same thing as what that old letch did to me back in the clothing store, or what Trump is accused of. As I said, what he did is bad enough; don’t minimize rape victims by trying to make it sound like the same thing.

      Plus, on a lighter note, I suspect that the talking heads on TV aren’t really all that appalled by Trump – they just like having a legitimate excuse to use the word “pussy” right out loud on air.

      10/16/16 4:35 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      42

      Teri,

      BRAVO!!!!

      On all points.

      And …. I told you so!!!

      When Teri talks….people should Listen

      Mitch

      10/16/16 5:50 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      43

      Teri,

      I have to ask….

      Political science professor? English lit ? History prof?

      Just really curious.

      M

      10/16/16 6:00 PM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

      44

      0′ fergawdsakes can we instead have President Donald J(ustice) Trump for the (CIA) CRIME Company, Poppy Bush/Billary/Barry-0 Putsch’s finally Unraveling HALF-CENTURY 0f TREASON Against the rest of US?!
      (*Full disclosure; in a fed office, I witnessed with another man and Handicapped WOMAN affirmative testifiers, the boss sexually oppress a second woman (victim). Provided with even 4 to 1 justification, the victim would not press charges.) Whatever, compared with the imminent complete Company corruption of our democracy! :
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/political-succession-and-the-bush-clinton-nexus-permanent-criminal-state-a-clinton-white-house-guarantees-war-with-russia/5547656

      10/16/16 6:42 PM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

      45

      * 0′ fergawdsakes can we instead have President Donald J(ustice) Trump for the (CIA) CRIME Company, Poppy Bush/Billary/Barry-0 Putsch’s finally Unraveling HALF-CENTURY 0f TREASON Against the rest of US?!
      (*Full disclosure; in a fed office, I witnessed with another man and Handicapped WOMAN affirmative testifiers, the boss sexually oppress a second woman (victim). Provided with even 4 to 1 justification, the victim would not press charges.) Whatever, compared with the imminent complete Company corruption of our democracy! :
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/political-succession-and-the-bush-clinton-nexus-permanent-criminal-state-a-clinton-white-house-guarantees-war-with-russia/5547656 *

      10/16/16 6:44 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...

      46

      Mitch,

      Art and art history. Philosophy minor. Never finished my coursework to graduate, though, mostly due to the fact that I was trying to do it through night-school while working 60 hours a week. Then kids happened and needed raising, which I ended up having to do alone. (I was going to write “after the ex-husbands fled the scene”, but that would be a falsehood. The father of my first two kids was a wife-beater, so I left him, not the other way around, and the father of my third child developed schizophrenia, and I had to choose between saving him or saving myself and the kids. I chose the kids.) Life happened, karma happened…ah, well. Always thought I’d be a writer who drew pictures on the side, or an artist who wrote on the side, but ended up as a simple bookkeeper.

      I could give you more historic details about what happened between my birth and now, but first of all, nobody would ever believe they all really happened to one person. It’s not that there were overwhelmingly awful catastrophes like, say, a car accident that left one paralyzed, it’s just that the aggregate, the sum-total accumulation of one after another of dreary misfortunes, bad luck, and unreasonably harsh consequences for poor decisions is unbelievable. (Seriously harsh and unreasonable consequences. Once during a divorce-related hearing, the judge handed down a stunning and unheard-of decision against me. Again. I looked at my attorney, wondering why he wasn’t objecting, and he was standing there with his mouth literally hanging open. He finally stammered something out, but the judge was set on her ruling. On the way out of the courthouse, he said he’d never seen anything like the way the system failed each and every time for one person. I allowed as to how I had been dumb enough to marry the guy, and nobody gets away from such poor choices for free. “Yeah, that’s noble of you,” he said, “but you are way beyond paying the appropriate price. You are in the fucking alternate universe of consequences.”) And secondly, to get back to my point, none of the details [of my personal history] matter much. I could have done more with my life, but didn’t for one reason and another. Why is rather a moot issue at this late date, and of no interest to anyone but me. God, whom I like to think exists, will discuss the matter with me at some point. We both have some explaining to do.

      So I am no-one. I’m mostly self-educated, which means “poorly educated” if one is honest about it. I just enjoy reading a lot, easily absorb and retain details, and like to ponder about things. I’m very flattered by your remarks, and thank you for taking the time to write them.

      Our host, Peter, seems to have inadvertently brought forth a plethora of true confessions from his audience with this post and the last one, eh? I feel a group hug coming on… 🙂

      Best,
      Teri

      10/16/16 8:33 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      47

      Holy shit. All of a sudden, Peter’s comment section has become a haven of thoughtful, introspective, free speech with and without regard for the subject at hand. Inasmuch as people are pouring their hearts out… I like it. Carry on. It’s the best I’ve found on the interwebs so far.

      10/16/16 8:35 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      48

      Holy mother of group hugs…some how teri posted this while I was typing.. I think..

      “Our host, Peter, seems to have inadvertently brought forth a plethora of true confessions from his audience with this post and the last one, eh? I feel a group hug coming on… ”

      Hahahahahaha.. indeed, group hugs. I like it. your on.

      10/16/16 8:38 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      49

      teri.. you and my wife have a lot in common. I’ll point your poignant post to her in the morning. I’m sure she will respond as she has felt very alone lately, given her 48 year old mentally challenged daughter is ..well..I’ll just call it.. a life long challenge. Meanwhile, I hope lifes little challenges soften up for you. In the meantime, just know, now that I know what your challenges are, rest assured prayers are headed your way. I mean that with all my heart. Now, excuse me, I have an appointment with a bottle of the best vodka I can afford.

      10/16/16 8:49 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      50

      teri said:
      “I could have done more with my life, but didn’t for one reason and another. Why is rather a moot issue at this late date, and of no interest to anyone but me. God, whom I like to think exists, will discuss the matter with me at some point. We both have some explaining to do.”

      fuck. teri.. that’s the best summation of one’s personal observation of one’s life I’ve ever read. fuck. I only wish I had the guts to do same. All I know is you are one of the most courageous people on the planet. Bravo!

      10/16/16 9:01 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      51

      MEANWHILE.. not to make light of the previous discussions and the point of Peters post….the fucking battle to drag the truth out of our scum sucking USG continues, day after day after day….

      https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161009/07195635752/appeal-court-revives-lawyers-lawsuit-against-nsas-email-dragnet.shtml

      Goddammit..one of these days, these cocksucking NSA criminals are going to pay…one way or another.

      10/16/16 9:05 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...

      52

      Pitch, old friend of the innerwebs, you actually brought a tear to my eyes. Wow, I’m getting senile or something.

      Thank you for thoughts and prayers, and include your lassie in the group hug, from me. I haven’t much else to offer but sympathy and understanding. Oh, and this, which my mother says to me every now and then as a reminder (I believe it is an African proverb): “The daughter of a lion is also a lion.”

      Strength and stamina, and of the two attributes, stamina is a woman’s particular forte. So I wish your wife stamina.

      And hugs to you, you old gnarly dude, you.

      – Teri

      Now I’m off to bed before I embarrass myself further.

      10/16/16 9:30 PM | Comment Link

    • Michael Murry said...

      53

      I have to laugh at that “pussy grabbing” comment, Peter. It reminds me of my time in the Nixon-Kissinger Fig Leaf Contingent (Vietnam 1970-72) when our instructors at Counter Insurgency School fed us that line about “winning the hearts and minds” of the Vietnamese people who, for some strange reason, objected to the United States military devastating their country for a decade after the French military had spent another decade doing the same thing. At any rate, after receiving the official statement of doctrine, we got the translation of actual policy: namely, “Grab ’em by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.” I seem to recall one of my fellow sailors asking the obvious follow-up question: “So, if we grab their men by the balls, where do we grab their women?” After all these decades, I don’t remember the answer, but it would probably make both Donald Trump and Bill Clinton blush to hear it.

      We American servicemen did not generally think too highly of Asian “gooks” and “slopes” and “dinks” and our vocabulary rather reflected that racist disdain. I think that, today, U.S. servicemen and women refer to Arabs and Muslims as “camel jockeys,” “rag heads,” and “sand niggers.” Only after spending some real time exposed to the suffering of foreign people do some Americans learn to see them as just like us: fucked over royally by the same American and corrupt proxy-puppet “governments.”

      November 8th of this year will mark no significant change in the fucking over of people by the U.S. government. Not our people. Not their people. It will go on no matter the name or gender of whoever moves into the White House on January 21st of next year. And the particular vocabulary employed by our corporate oligarchs will not matter one bit when compared to the awful things they will most certainly — and happily — do.

      10/17/16 2:30 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      54

      Is Wikileaks going to release tapes of …”Nixons The One”? I Like Ike ! Stop the MIC. I love garage sales, thrift stores, and I’m with her…Jill Stein (may write one of you in though!)

      10/17/16 9:40 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      55

      Be careful out there. The Russians are coming! The Commies. The State, that controls your news and knows everything you do. Stay tuned. Happening Now. This just in, U$A #1. We need to stop them.

      10/17/16 9:47 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      56

      Teri

      Have you given any thought to taking the challenge testing?
      You would pass.

      And, I believe everyone here could say many things about you…..however…”simple” … Would not be a word anyone ever came up with.

      And yes, Pitch…. There is more exposures coming.

      Single parenthood. Its a BITCH!!!!!

      That’s all there is to it.

      I referred to my ex earlier on this story. Her middle name is ‘Devil’.
      And you are not the only one who has been let down by the courts.

      My son, just turned 20. Second year at university. Wants to be a vet.
      He has the mind, heart and hands for it.

      He started out… 2pd. 11ozs. 14 “. Taken by emergency c-section.
      I found out a year later, why he screamed a lot.
      You see, for the doctors to tell me why he seemed to be in pain all the time, would violate HER HIPPA rights.

      So, I found out, by accident….my ex loved her PiLLS.
      A lot!!
      As in addict. As in 5 last names. 6 socials.

      I filed for divorce, 12 hours later.

      The court is a joke. Found out its all a sick joke.
      The entire process is to keep the case in the court. For generations. Everytime it goes to court, there is more money. Lots more.
      Heard of ‘policing for profit’ ????
      Well, its the same thing with the courts.

      And,from what you said… Its been going on in the courts a lot longer than I thought.

      And, yes, it disgusts the hell out of me to think, when I wore a badge, …I SUPPORTED THAT SHIT!!!!

      During that time, the way the court in California is set up….everything goes through mediation.
      And that is how it starts.

      My ex lied about everything. Blind man could see it.
      Mediator bought all of it for years.
      Should have seen the look on her face, when a 6 foot tall stack of medical was wheeled into the court room.. With my attorney saying… ” your honor, we can prove, script addiction, Identity theft,….etc.etc.etc.

      It all ended a month later.

      You see, the first thing that happens in california courts…they look at money….”child support”… My ex would not work. So….I had to pay her.
      Even though I had my son… By documentation, and order, 95% of the time.
      So…. My ex… She would physically hurt my son…knowing she would be back in court.

      The last time …. After lies exposure day….
      It was a different story…

      I sat back in the corner…. And watched the mediator ripe my ex apart. Screaming at her to the point cops walked in to do a safety check.

      Mediator was being so sweet to me….think she saw a law suit coming?

      Found out later, she was on welfare. So, hence, the state takes all the money, execpt for 50 dollars.
      Makes sense now.

      Btw…..I learned a couple weeks ago…. My ex is now on fucking heroin!!!!!

      And…she still lives in a crappy little shack in that crappy little city.
      And…in the mean time….

      I own a literal square mile of Texas.

      Success really is the most awesome of revenges.

      So…. When you elude to people not believing some of the crap…..yes we would.

      Btw. 3 years after the final court…. Child Protection Services….
      With a report that had my ex and the stalker in it.
      Final straw. The shit just never ended.

      So…..the house I bought…130 year old junk pile… Put its life back together. It was perfect….sold it for big bucks more than I paid…
      Took a road trip…
      Found another junk pile in Arkansas… Found out….Bill and Kill got their corruption honestly…
      Sold that one…
      And have been buying up Texas ever since.

      As a side note…. My 2nd hire…. She was married when I hired her. To a Texas Ranger… He ….Grrrrrrr… Went insane….near as I can tell. Pretty sick shit.
      He is now, and for the past 3 years, spending quailty time in the special dirty cops prison in Florida.

      Well, as of a couple weeks ago…when we were in Belgium…..we got married.
      She is after all….my best friend. And has been for most of a decade now.

      So….there is light at the end of the tunnel still.
      God does exist…. I’m sure he will do well under cross exam.

      Yes…. The entire system is rigged. Not just elections.

      And….. When you say ” poorly educated”….

      I call BULLSHIT!!!!!

      M

      10/17/16 9:58 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      57

      Pitchfork,

      You forgot a couple things in the group hug comment…

      Drone advice…
      Making new friends….out of enemies… Attempting to right the worlds and nations wrongs through collaboration and discussion. With opposing points of view, and extremely different backgrounds.

      I mean, think about it. Ex state department employees. Retired soldiers. Sound engineers. Business people who used to be cops. Single parents. Up and coming novelists. People who have had exposure to many of lifes not so happy side.
      World travelers. People who live in the same town they were born in.
      And, I think…. A couple of people outside the US.
      So many people.

      People, human beings, from so many backrounds, experiences. Education. Every thing in the realm of human experience.
      Some of those experiences… Horrible beyond words. Some, joy beyond discription.

      All of them, thanks to Peter, who which none of this would have happened.

      But, all of those people… With ZERO commons… Come together and openly discuss issues.
      Share life experiences.

      For the most part, with out retaliation.

      You have to admit, it does give you a glimmer of hope for this messed up species… Called

      Mankind.

      M

      10/17/16 10:26 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      58

      Damn….ok…. Pitchfork….is it too early to drink?

      So….

      Back to smart ass mode….

      Chuck…

      Think… Zombies, zombies, zombies.

      The Russians would so just kick our asses right now.

      M

      10/17/16 10:29 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      59

      Btw.

      That guy in the white house….you know…. The guy Pitchfork keeps voting for. :- p

      Rumor has it..
      He just issued an “executive memo”..

      Stating everyone about grade 3 federal is exempt for civil lawsuit.

      Though you should know.

      M

      10/17/16 10:36 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      60

      Think before you vote….

      WHO had the most to lose by information continuing to be released.

      SILENCED? WikiLeaks says Assange’s Internet access mysteriously cut

      http://foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=3795452.proteus.fma

      M

      10/17/16 10:41 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      61

      And…

      As an interesting point.

      Been reading a book about the french revolution

      Everyone knows about Rome.

      But…. Did you know about the extravagant parties in the palace in France, while the people of Paris starved?

      It was Paul McCartney that was just at the white house private dinner, yes?

      Hnnnmmmmmmm……

      M

      10/17/16 10:45 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      62

      Wikileaks had access to the internet today denied for some reason! Those Darn Russians.

      10/17/16 11:55 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      63

      I was on an Island in France on Bastille Day years ago backpacking. They thought I was a hero. Wage peas…and Justice. Truth is good. I will close Gitmo. Upchuck/2016 *election update* Have a nice day!

      10/17/16 12:02 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      64

      Chuck,

      Europe is thinking he’s dead.

      And…the dead man codes for his “nuclear bomb” of information has been released to multiple sources.

      NOW its going to get interesting.

      M

      10/17/16 12:04 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      65

      UpChuck 2016.

      If you promise me extremely lucrative government contracts…

      For selling pygmy goats to goat herders in the mountains of Peru… Up where there is not enough 02 for a hummingbird…

      I’ll vote for ya…

      Of course, if I’m ever asked if the vote was rigged…. For a sizeable donation to my retirement on MARS,
      I will deny anything ever happened.

      M

      10/17/16 12:11 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      66

      Vote often. It makes some feel good while company’s make billions with the hype. We are number one. Repeat…

      10/17/16 12:38 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      67

      I promise I will not wear $13000 satin pant suits (unless I am going for Billionaire Transgender class vote!) I am never wrong, because I am always right. Believe me. I am human. Off to the Mother Ship! George Clinton/2016 “Paint the Whitehouse Black”

      10/17/16 12:43 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      68

      Mitch said…

      “Btw.

      That guy in the white house….you know…. The guy Pitchfork keeps voting for. :- p”

      FWIW, just to clear my record…I only voted for him at his first election. Within 6 months, his true nature began to show. After another 3 months, I detested that lying sack of shit maggot war criminal. So, now you know the rest of the story.

      wemeantwell said…

      “Um, any news you find, I know a place to publish it, er, right here.”

      Ok..you’re on. At least we can keep each other company at Gitmo. 🙂

      10/17/16 1:22 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      69

      Hey….now UpChuck…

      Go easy on the 13 grand pants, come on….it worked for Elvis!!!!

      But…. Do you suppose wikileaks has the truth behind the Roswell incident????

      That would be way too cool.

      I mean….come on….to find out the CIA humanitarians learned their skills from ripping off fingernails from practicing on ALF ?

      Dude….. Now that would be too wicked.

      I mean…. Like, for sure…. The ALF population would read the internet….

      Come down in force…. And hunt every cat that took a dump on the yard last night.

      Praise God!!! Where’s the aspirin???? ( paraphrasing Chevy Chase, national lampoons Christmas vacation).

      M

      10/17/16 1:25 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      70

      Pitchfork,

      Club Gitmo….

      A wonderful vacation spot for the whole family
      And, quite beautiful beaches. That you never get to see.
      Needing a workable diet plan? Everyone who comes out, has lost 150 lbs, or more.
      Need some time to listen to your favorite tunes? At max volume… 24/7/ 365.
      Feel the need to experience forced feeding?
      All the big governments are doing it

      Its all the craze now.

      And think…. You will still have to file taxes while your on your fun filled, years long vacation.

      M

      10/17/16 1:30 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      71

      At Obombers first press conference, Helen Thomas asked him if he was aware of any country in the M.E. with Nukes. He said to her” I won’t speculate, or some BS. I hated myself for voting for the uncle tom. Never trust white or half white people. (Is sarcasm allowed here now, I have posted this 4000 times and finally got to post!)

      10/17/16 1:34 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      72

      UpChuck,

      I believe sarcasm is allowed…. As I have not been banned yet….

      And…. I don’t have any drones around me… Yet…

      Unlike, Sir Pitchfork.

      But…. I voted for Sarah…. And whoever that old, corrupt guy, that threw the election was.

      M

      10/17/16 2:50 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      73

      Hey, everyone.

      This will go under car care when Peter expands his site.
      Learned something interesting the other day.

      On my property here, we use Jeep Wranglers.
      For Business we use Grand Cherokee’s

      The grands are real bad about this “issue”.

      And apparently most cars now have the same problem.

      The fogged over headlights.

      Mechanic told me this solution, I thought he was bullshitting me. But, it works.

      Get a spray can of bug spray with Deet in it. The more deet the better.

      Spray it on… Wipe it off.

      Just an fyi for anyone bitching about it.

      M

      10/17/16 3:23 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      74

      I love the clap on, clap off lamps. How is Clapper doing?!

      10/17/16 3:44 PM | Comment Link

    • Helen Marshall said...

      75

      THis is how the Times and the others get away with it. A comment on a FB page about a newspaper issue here. I am sure that most people in the US share this “head in the clouds” view of the newspapers. “Why, they would NEVER slant their coverage!”

      “If you’re looking for true fair and unbiased journalism, look no further than (most) American newspapers…the antidote to biased 24/7 cable news that passes for serious reporting. Newspapers have the right to present their editorials but otherwise present the news on a level playing field.”

      10/17/16 3:52 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      76

      All day….

      Still no appearance, statement, nothing from Assange.

      Other than his lawyer getting off’ed.

      What’s the song???

      ‘ Bad Moon Rising’.

      M

      10/17/16 9:12 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...

      77

      Huh. It was Ecuador that cut off Assange’s internet. They will continue to give him asylum at their embassy, however. Now why would Ecuador cut his internet access? Turns out that Correa supports Clinton. Which means he ain’t half as smart as one would have hoped, given the Obama/Clinton/neoliberal penchant for fucking with our neighbors south of the border.

      Now there’s some emails and phone calls I’d love to see published: the ones from Clinton to Correa offering him a deal he can’t refuse to coerce him into shuttering Assange’s innerwebs.

      And we’re supposed to believe that Russia is messing with freedom, democracy, and apple pie. Snort.

      **********************
      Anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said on Monday that its founder Julian Assange’s internet was shut down by the government of Ecuador, deflecting blame from the U.S. or British governments which have sparred with Assange for releasing sensitive material.
      “We can confirm Ecuador cut off Assange’s internet access Saturday, 5 pm GMT, shortly after publication of (Hillary) Clinton’s Goldman Sachs speechs (sic),” the statement from WikiLeaks said. […]
      The Ecuadoran government offered no immediate comment on the question of internet access, but the country’s foreign minister, Guillaume Long, said Assange remained under government protection.
      “The circumstances that led to the granting of asylum remain,” Long said in a statement late on Monday.
      The government of leftist President Rafael Correa has long backed Assange’s right to free speech, though the Wikileaks saga has caused some strain in relations with the United States, including the expulsion of diplomats in 2011.
      Correa, whose term will end next year, has said he is behind
      Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, who he says he knows personally, in the U.S. presidential election.
      “For the good of the United States and the world … I would like Hillary to win,” Correa told broadcaster Russia Today last month.[…]
      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-wikileaks-idUSKBN12H2E9
      ***********************
      Speaking of behind-the-scenes shit and machinations within the power structure of USA Democracy Inc, the latest FBI disclosures on Clinton’s email investigation show that Patrick Kennedy, State Dept Undersecretary, offered a quid pro quo (bribe) to the FBI if they would change the markings of some of the emails from classified to unclassified. Well, my stars. It’s getting to the point where you might start to think everyone in charge is, you know, corrupt or something.

      Article:
      https://www.rt.com/usa/363110-state-dept-fbi-quid-pro/

      10/18/16 6:07 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      78

      teri said:
      “Well, my stars. It’s getting to the point where you might start to think everyone in charge is, you know, corrupt or something.”

      Naaaaw…really? Well dust my britches. Whudda thunk. I mean, here I thought every official in the USG was squeaky clean, apple pie eating, flag saluting and honest as the day is long. right.

      Goddamn I’d kill for a two rolling eyes smiley.

      10/18/16 6:59 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...

      79

      btw… I believe we’ve set a new record here for the number of comments. And length. Well done. Next thing you know Peter’s site might just get on the Top Ten Blog’s list. I mean, I’m already positive it’s on the FBI’s top 10. To who I’ve been meaning to add a “signature” to the bottom of each comment I post.

      Fuck you.

      Meanwhile, looks like Amy Goodman just kicked the prosecutor in North Dakota in the First Amendment balls. I bet his head exploded too. Fucking moron. Never ceases to amaze me at what lengths these goddamned inquisitional assholes go to prosecute someone. I bet they torture their cats too.

      http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/judge-refuses-to-sign-off-on-charges-against-journalist-amy/article_06ade343-892c-5177-b201-907142d1ab03.html

      btw… did I mention..
      Dear FBI. Fuck you..

      10/18/16 7:13 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      80

      “I’m with Her”…Amy Goodman

      10/18/16 7:31 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

      81

      So Assanges Landlord is for Hillary, and connection shut off due to his support of her. Biden gave a smirky comment yesterday like “weve taking care of it”. It appears that protecting a win for Hillary is the goal. Stop Truth from being revealed? It’s the Amerikan way. Well, I regret saying this but, If I see no releases from today till the election, I will vote for Trump (I am glad to say I am sure Assange will release something.) Hope Change Believe

      10/18/16 7:40 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

      82

      Thank you, Teri.

      Yesterday was a mess, and tomorrow is a fiasco. It just has not happened yet.
      I did not have a chance to look or search.

      So, yep. I sort of exploited you, sorry….sort of. But THANK YOU.

      So, Hillary/ Killary/ the creepy ghoul, how much of an “aide package” is she going to give Ecuador if she wins?

      Our government is NOT corrupt. Nope, not ours. And our government does not lie to its people, by the second.
      Our government does not give refuge to monsters, while cutting back room deals to silence people who feel truth is more important than power and Lies.
      Nope, not the US….nope…can not be….( Out of respect for Pitchforks drone problem. )

      Well, I almost got that out with out laughing.

      I’m going to go with UpChuck. Write-in ballot.

      Ok….. So, here todays special guest question…

      What is the name of the Iraq war vet, that spent less than 500.00USD on a congressional election. Won by a landslide. Did all of his campaigning online.
      Only to, one day later, have the FBI hit him with child porn charges. Forcing the imcumbant ass to take his old job back,….

      Just to have all charges dropped one year later??????

      ” the truth is out there”… Fox Mulder.

      M

      10/18/16 8:28 AM | Comment Link

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