• Freedom’s Just Another Word

    December 10, 2016

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    Posted in: Democracy, Post-Constitution America, Trump

    Here’s what’s left of democracy in America.

    We had an election, and the candidate favored by Washington, media, and many business elites did not win. Here’s what happened next.

    — CIA unambiguously but without documentation or evidence presented says, via anonymous leaks, that Russia interceded in the election to help elect Donald Trump.

    — Democratic Congresspeople, alongside several media outlets, have called for investigations into whether or not Trump colluded with the Russians to influence the election. That would be an impeachable offense, a criminal offense, treason.

    — The underlying message is that the Russians believe Trump as president will so favor them (for some reason) that they risk war, or a cyber version of war, to see him in power. Trump’s legitimacy is now undermined, and his every action toward the Soviet Union Russia will be tainted.

    — Though this “information” was known in Washington since at least the election, it was only released 10 days ahead of the Electoral College vote.

    — Meanwhile, Jill Stein, as proxy for Hillary Clinton, raised $7 million over a long weekend after claiming the vote count in three key states was wrong and/or the counting machines (not connected to the web) were hacked and cannot be trusted. A recount could have sent Clinton to the White House.

    — Clinton supporters continue to try and get the Electoral College to do something it has never done in some 220 years, select a candidate who did not win the most electoral votes.

    — Hillary Clinton has re-emerged, making speeches and public appearances, concurrent with all of the above.

    — Democrats as a group continue to insist winning the popular vote entitles Clinton to… something.

    — Clinton supporters earlier claimed the FBI interceded in the election to defeat Clinton.

    — Candidate Clinton claimed during a debate the now president-elect is a stooge working on behalf of Putin, literal treason.

    This is banana republic crap, people, that looks to negate the votes of some 62 million Americans. We no longer believe in our own system. When the candidate many people did not support wins, the response is to seek to negate the democratic process, via accusations that make McCarthy in the 1950s look like a sad amateur.

    What we have are anonymous voices at an intelligence agency supposedly dedicated to foreign intel saying the Russians helped elect our next president. That says the process is flawed and cannot be trusted, and that Trump will owe a debt to the Russians and can’t be trusted. It will keep alive the idea that Clinton should have won if not for this meddling and undermine for his term the legitimacy of Trump. Via the classification process, the CIA will only need to make public the snippets of info that support its contention.

    This is an attempted coup as sure as it would be if there were tanks on the White House lawn. The CIA might as well have tried to shoot Trump during his next trip to Dallas.

    To date, all of these accusations have been based on anonymous sources and leaks. The president of the United States remains silent.

    And we are so easily manipulated — liberals/progressives who have rightly attacked the CIA for decades for domestic spying, WMD lies, overthrowing foreign governments, torture, drones, renditions, etc., overnight now believe and support every word the Agency says.

    America, our goose is cooked. You worry about an autocracy? It doesn’t have to be in one man. It can be via an Agency.

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    • Mitch said...



      THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

      Sometime, I owe you lunch!!!!!

      The depths of the insanity that is apparently running rampant…

      I’ve been there, done that….but this crap is utterly shocking.


      12/10/16 11:03 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      quote”America, our goose is cooked. You worry about an autocracy? It doesn’t have to be in one man. It can be via an Agency.”unquote

      The ghost of Jim Garrison must be gloating a giant..”I told you so”.

      Meanwhile, if the CIA doesn’t succeed this way, they will another. Which..would actually make my day in some respects. But they already know they can’t get away with that way twice. But… we’ll see. All I know is we are witnessing propaganda insertion into the election narrative at the highest levels ever seen in the history of US elections. Meanwhile, I’m laughing my ass off at the wave of heads exploding across the various comment sections on the net. They don’t call it the DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET for nothing.

      12/10/16 11:26 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      ps.. this story re-defines the words.. “anonymous officials”.


      Ya know..I’m so old I remember when journalists were loath to print anything without their sources allowing their names to be used.

      12/10/16 11:34 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      In the current trend….of attack the source, rather than the data…..( and NO!!! I don’t agree with that BS)

      The intercept…. Its on the media “fake news” black list.

      So… Hence…. Its not to be read, seen, or approach.

      Were only supposed to watch government “approved” media…..and… Of course … Look at the pretty flowers.


      12/10/16 11:45 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      The USA broke the USSR. We suckered them into an arms race poker game. We kept raising and they had to fold. Russia is in no position to break America. America will break itself eventually but in ways none of us here can anticipate or even predict.

      12/10/16 12:02 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...




      You left out the part about the bluff.

      Star wars particle beam missle defense system…..

      It never existed.


      12/10/16 12:20 PM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...


      US’ ALL bin (CIA Poppy) BushWhacked, lo these 5.3 DECADES (since 11/22/63) !

      12/10/16 12:55 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Mitch- so the particle beam missile defense system was the USA’s bluff with Russia? Saddam Hussein’s WMD “bluff” fooled the USA. You don’t fool an empire that bluffs brilliantly. So the world ends- not with a whimper- but a bluff? Sounds likely.

      12/10/16 1:01 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      Yes, exactly…

      Execpt…. Saddam… He knew he could not win against the US military…

      So…. He bankrupted the US.

      Made the US pour a ton of cash…. Twice… To go over.. Never get a war footing economy… And spend a ton of cash to come back.

      And spend … What is it.. A 100 million , or some ungodly number…. A day ever since…. For 15 years.

      Same thing the US did to the USSR has been done to the US.

      What is it Kenny Rogers said…. “know when to hold them, know when to fold…. Know when to walk away…. And when to run…. ”


      12/10/16 1:12 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Harry Truman: Give me hell, Donald. We should have cut the CIA a looooong time ago.

      12/10/16 2:01 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Looking forward to an internal war betwen the CIA and the FBI since both agencies have crossed lines regarding “turf”.
      I still worry about the half white POTUS somehow engendering a second 1776. He has the hubris to want to be a “player”.

      12/10/16 4:23 PM | Comment Link

    • Chuck said...


      Glad to have this year off from protesting The Inaug after attending the last three jan.20 events. The Dems who have not been in the streets the past 7 years can do it.

      12/10/16 5:06 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Janis/2020 & Big Brother and the Holding Company. Have a nice day.

      12/10/16 6:29 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Follow the yellow brick Rd. (who is behind the curtain?) The Truth? Stay tuned. Obey! I will go to dc if Killary is putting her hand on the bible!

      12/10/16 6:34 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Be careful out there this weekend. Rumor has it all bartenders have been told to report who orders white and black Russians.

      12/10/16 7:17 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Pardon Snowden

      12/10/16 9:17 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Wikileaks DNC emails revealed pigs. Swine.

      12/10/16 9:18 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      How is that Turkish guy living in Pa. doing? Are there any battles for pipelines in the area? Do dogs live with cats? What is this world coming to?!!!

      12/10/16 9:30 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      (time out)

      12/10/16 9:30 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Is the U.S. press prohibited from reporting on Snowden, WikiLeaks and Assange? They are soooo good worrying about the Boris and Natasha show. Stay tuned…

      12/10/16 9:49 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Obama Legacy. Why is John Bolten not in jail among many others (Banksters, torturers, war criminals, with control of the house, congress, etc.?) Obomber is the first half white/black man, behind the curtain$. Answer… That is the smooth talkers legacy after W..

      12/10/16 10:14 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      I remember Obama saying that isis was beat…… So….. How is this being beat????



      12/11/16 1:48 AM | Comment Link

    • teri said...


      The most fascinating thing to me is listening to all these assholes (including Clinton herself, who mentioned these in a speech the other day) make the absurd pitch that Russians “hacked the election” and we need to censor the news because of Russian “propaganda” – and NO-ONE MENTIONS THAT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT SOMEONE, WHO IS UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT, HACKED INTO THE DNC EMAIL SYSTEM. That is the whole shebang. That’s the entire basis for their claims of Russian hacking and Russian meddling – the stupid fucking DNC emails. The Russians didn’t and couldn’t hack into the voting machines. And we don’t have myriads of writers suddenly turning all Commie and publishing Russian propaganda – the idea is absurd on its face. The whole thing is because the DNC had some dumbasses who couldn’t run a secure email system in charge of their cybersecurity, and because the asshats in the DNC actually put shit in writing that they shouldn’t have. And they got caught. (At the least, you’d think they’d be aware that the NSA and CIA were reading their emails – which might be a tiny little clue as to the hackers might really be.)

      The emails prove that the DNC was rigging the primaries, but they made sure that the MSM didn’t mention the content of the emails, only the fact that someone (The Dread Russians!, they claim without a shred of proof) hacked into the system. They just didn’t want the American public to know the Democrats rigged the whole thing from the get-go. Because the emails prove what they did, these jerks are going to great lengths to try and deflect attention to the “hacker” instead, and they want everyone to believe their ridiculous assertions about whom that might be. They may actually get the US to censor news outlets and go to war with Russia just because Clinton lost the election. Congress is currently working on a bill to do just that. The bill is aimed at Russia for “interfering” in the election process, instead of aiming at the true culprit, the DNC. Apparently, actually rigging the primaries is okay, but the public finding out they were rigged is the greater offense.

      And let’s not forget that some of the offending emails came out of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s server, and were released to the public by the FBI and State Dept under FOIA requests. Can’t exactly blame that on the Russians (although they do) and the two email issues are now all conflated together. This whole thing is still being stage-managed by the Clintons and their political machine. And I had hoped she’d go quietly into retirement already. Hasn’t she fucked up the lives of enough people for one life-time? Hasn’t she killed enough, helped overthrow enough countries, done enough damage to the globe? The answer is obviously no. She wants to fuck her own country over good and hard for failing to put her in the White House, which she thought she deserved for some reason. And, goddamn it all to hell and gone – this bitch is going to get us in a world war whether she’s in the WH or not.

      In the meantime, Trump is talking about putting military men in top positions in multiple civilian agencies. So much for civilian control of the military; now we will have military control of the civilians. In other countries, the military has to stage a coup to gain control of the government. Here, they just get appointed. He also wants Exxon’s CEO to be the next Sec. State. Obama, BTW, is cool with that, and has said he thinks Trump’s picks are fine people and there should be no objection from Congress. And I guarantee you, there won’t be.

      We are in a tight spot. Shit’s fucked up and shit. I don’t even know enough bad words to express how I feel.

      12/11/16 5:42 AM | Comment Link

    • teri said...


      And in case nobody noticed, the US is currently bragging about hacking into and disrupting Russia’s banking and financial systems to “get even” for the DNC hacks.

      We are, in essence, already at war with Russia because of Hillary Clinton, the DNC and their retarded fucking emails. The Pentagon, Obama and Clinton have all said that cyber attacks should be met with military response; let’s hope the Russians don’t feel the same way.

      12/11/16 5:51 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      So, Teri…

      How exactly do you really feel????

      Question for you… Couple of them in fact.

      First…. How often do you get a strange email with a link in it??… And are stupid enough to open it ???

      Second….. I realize the media, etc…. Are all SAYING it was a hack….. But….

      You especially, my dear, are way to smart to believe that.

      My personal thought is some one inside the DNC leaked those emails.

      Wikileaks doesn’t steal secrets…. They publish them.

      Further, my thought is that there was a Sanders supporter inside the DNC that wanted them busted for what they were doing.

      Now, Hillary is not wasting a crisis…. And trying to make a nuclear war to punish the USA for not electing her.
      And she has enough dirt on everyone, their brother… And their dog N cat to make them go along with it.


      12/11/16 7:49 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Seems to me that Donald should rescind that getoutofjail card for Hillarious. At least keep her guessing.

      12/11/16 8:48 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Mitch, for security reasons, you need to change your Gmail password. Click HERE!! For extra security, do not use password as you password!! Enjoy…

      12/11/16 8:54 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      I’m using the same password I have always used…. Same as yours.

      Got it from wikileaks.


      12/11/16 8:57 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      I wish we could get over the illusion that there is any difference between these two parties. There can be only one and the one that won is the Wall Street War Party, as indicated by the stock market and especially the defense industry stocks. We had a coup a loooooong time ago. The WSWP will continue to make you slaves fearful just to keep the money flowing. The anthrax “terrorist” attack was its greatest success. And if you think there is any difference between the FBI and the CIA, think again.

      12/11/16 9:14 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      I thought wswp was the wallstreetwashpost. Thanks for clarification.

      12/11/16 9:28 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Off to read 808 files on “Got Milk” John Bolton at Wiki !

      12/11/16 9:32 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Mitch perhaps the mother of all ironies is all the “players” in DC feel that if the people knew the truth of how they’ve been played for decades with the ruse of a faux democracy then the elite would have the burdensome task of managing an outed police state. They’d prefer to be seen as benevolent rulers and innocent of any sinister agendas.
      The flawed thinking leading to an unjustified paranoia of the elite sadly is that the proles would take to the streets. Well, that is partially correct. If the news of being conned happened during the SuperBowl then they proles might take to the streets but only for twenty minutes during the half time break. Then it would be back to the tehveh to gawk at cleverly marketed diversion and distraction.
      Neil Postman (Amusing Ourselves to Death) said it more elegantly decades ago.

      12/11/16 9:37 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Time for another “terrorist” attack to keep the slaves in line. Something to fan the fire against Iran.

      12/11/16 9:42 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      With Exxon as SecState, the Iran false flag will jack up oil prices too. Winnng!

      12/11/16 9:46 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Trump has to payoff his best friend Putin for his victory. Russian oil industry needs a bailout.

      12/11/16 9:48 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Watch Exxon stock price for a clue.

      12/11/16 9:50 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...




      I look at it pretty simple. There are no accidents with these people.
      They work on time lines running Years. Decades.

      The dumbing down through public “education”.

      The games they play.

      All about control.

      Guess they never realized control leads to rebellion.


      12/11/16 10:12 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...




      These assholes should have read history more.

      This nation was Founded on Rebellion.

      Somewhere deep inside…. That seed still lives.

      Look at Trumps win…. That should have been a wake up call, that the seeds of Bunker Hill still are in the people somewhere.


      12/11/16 10:17 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Is Bobby Valentine the equivalent version of Caligula’s horse in The New Rome?

      12/11/16 11:49 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      “We no longer believe in our own system.”

      Acceptance is the first step on the road to sanity.

      12/11/16 11:54 AM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      Meanwhile, interestingly, somebody has finally figured out how the fake news propagation machine works…


      Mitch said:
      “This nation was Founded on Rebellion.

      Somewhere deep inside…. That seed still lives.”

      Yeah, well, understanding how this machine works just might be what’s needed to start it…among other things. I still believe Trump is his own worst enemy and will ultimately do something that will cost him his Presidency, notwithstanding sending him to prison. Of course..I also believe there’s an armada of Flying Pigs heading towards the Pacific coast as I type.

      btw…teri.. I absolutely agree with you on this…

      ” The whole thing is because the DNC had some dumbasses who couldn’t run a secure email system in charge of their cybersecurity, and because the asshats in the DNC actually put shit in writing that they shouldn’t have. And they got caught. (At the least, you’d think they’d be aware that the NSA and CIA were reading their emails – which might be a tiny little clue as to the hackers might really be.)”

      Dumbasses indeed..just like Podesta’s IT guy


      Fake Google email.. change your password ….immediately…


      Charles Delavan’s IT career just evaporated…


      12/11/16 12:03 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      ps..I still don’t understand why that scumbag of scumbags, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her DNC co-conspirators are still walking free.

      12/11/16 12:12 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      Meanwhile, Pres elect Smartest Person on the Planet doesn’t need daily briefings from the IC..


      I suggest the IC should watch this….

      12/11/16 12:17 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Well, I’ll be darned. Joe Biden says a 2020 run isn’t out of the question. How pathetic is that clown? He deferred to Hillary out of what- love? respect? fear? and the Dems lost. You very well could have won it for the Dems in 2016

      Trump hasn’t yet been sworn in and Biden is talking about 2020. These are total nuts jobs. Blame it on the methane inhaling in DC – a city built over swamp area that apparently was never properly bled before the fill project started.

      12/11/16 12:41 PM | Comment Link

    • Sokollu said...


      Here’s a gem from Jennifer Rubin, one of WaPo’s many pet neocons, from the palmy days when everyone knew HRC would sweep to victory. In a venomous column titled “The benefits of a blowout election,” Rubin intones:

      “A definitive, unassailable repudiation of Trump will bolster the message of Western democracies: We respect democratic elections and enjoy the legitimacy they bestow on the winner.”


      And we do, unless, apparently, the wrong guy wins.

      And Dana Milbank, another WaPo columnist who pens highly-promoted vitriol on a daily basis, wrote a column back in October titled “Tump can’t just be defeated. He must be humiliated” (who’s the bully here?).

      “Clinton needs to run up the score.

      The need to deal Trump a humiliating defeat has a sociological basis in the “degradation ceremony,” in which the perpetrator (Trump) is held by denouncers (officeholders and others in positions of influence) to be morally unacceptable, and witnesses (the public) agree that the perpetrator is no longer held in good standing.

      Psychologist Wynn Schwartz, who teaches at Harvard Medical School, explained to me that what’s needed to have a successful degradation of Trump is an epic defeat. “If it is lopsided enough,” he said, “you don’t have critical masses of people who feel disenfranchised” or “who feel justified in saying that it was stolen.”


      Right, let’s grind those who disagreed with the Anointed One into the ground. I can’t tell the dangerous authoritarian s without a scorecard.

      And, of course, the Post’s “news” stories tracked closely with the line of the columnists. I’ve never been so disgusted – and worried.

      12/11/16 1:05 PM | Comment Link

    • Bob said...


      If they succeed in electing the war criminal, corrupt puppet Clinton, it will be the end of (the appearance) of democracy in this country.

      It will show the world that we live under a totalitarian regime controlled by oligarchs.

      Same in Europe where the Italians are (again) denied an election for the third time and imposed a eurocrat Brussels puppet for prime minister.

      In the mean time, the invasion of Europe continues (Renzi’s legacy), the Greek- Cyprus hold up is about to be implemented in Italy, islamic terrorism is increasing and the CIA is planning a coup in its own country.

      How this can not end in extreme violence?

      12/11/16 2:25 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Peter, hope family coming home, or what ever that will warm your winter. Keep on, and thanks. Wait, where is the page on the site to buy PVB Holiday T Shirts, or donate? Maybe a po box, or a fundraiser to gain to be added to a Black List? Thanks again.Off to listen to Glen Ford. Chevy/Ford/2020

      12/11/16 2:54 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      How are those yard sale tapes doing?

      12/11/16 3:01 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Trump doesn’t need to hear intelligence briefings because he says there’s nothing new to hear. George W. said the same thing. I would stay out of tall buildings in New York City.

      12/11/16 3:38 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Trump will visit the CIA next week to replace the sign in the front lobby that reads. “The truth will set you free” with one that actually is the truth ” these are the same guys who said Saddam had WMDs”.

      12/11/16 4:06 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Trump will then visit the FBI to thank them for all their assistance and award Commie Comey with the Order of Lenin.

      12/11/16 4:20 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      At the rate things are going, things are going to “reset” anyway.

      Too much pissed off, too much polarized, too much hate.

      Which is pretty much what the elite, puppet masters want and need.

      As long as we are going at each other, were to busy to figure out their BS.


      12/11/16 5:53 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Bauer- please explain where you are coming from! So Trump is in cahoots with the FBI? You are of course kidding. Are you some bitter expatriate whose wife took the kids and all your money before you fled to Costa Rica or Bolivia. What the ?

      12/11/16 5:59 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      He’s on planet. “Lost my mind”…. Its easy to see in the night sky…. Look left of Uranus,

      Its the dim one.


      12/11/16 6:07 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      Pitchfork said :

      “Meanwhile, Pres elect Smartest Person on the Planet doesn’t need daily briefings from the IC..”

      Would you listen to their briefings????

      Which is better to have??? No information…. Or totally wrong information???

      I mean, right now… They are briefing their “future” boss… With their “old” bosses instructions and agendas.

      I don’t think I would waste the time listening either.

      I believe it would be better to wait a month…. Get out the broom and dustpan…. And start from scratch.

      Besides…. Its not like anything they have is going to be anymore credible than the washington post.

      Which is probably where they get their Intel from anyway.


      12/11/16 6:19 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      12/11/16 6:25 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Peter, don’t think the CIA would try to kill Trump on his next trip to Dallas. When they killed Bruce Ivins, the gang that can’t shoot straight ran out of patsies. If it decides Trump is a threat to their , er I mean the national security, it would do something with less trauma like the heart attack drug. God knows Trump has all the risk factors. Surprised he hasn’t already had the Nelson Rockefeller happy ending. But then we would be stuck with sick Pence none the wiser. It could be worse, we could be stuck with the War Witch.

      12/11/16 6:35 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      chuck said…

      “How are those yard sale tapes doing?”

      I assume that was directed at me.
      Just drug my old Teac 2trk out and cleaned up. Tried running it but it needs some TLC. I’ll update as I can.

      Mitch said…”Would you listen to their briefings????”


      “Which is better to have??? No information…. Or totally wrong information???”

      Says one who misses the subtle cue when his wife is loading the dishwasher in a negligee.
      Perhaps Mark Twain said it best..

      quote:”A person who won’t read has no advantage over one who can’t read.”unquote

      Sheeezus Mit…
      c’man… wait.. wait.. let me help you.. the point IS..


      12/11/16 7:48 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Peter, Teri….. And …..

      Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692),

      It has apparently alra

      12/11/16 7:55 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Ok… That was weird….

      Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692),

      But, Peter,

      This “Bill” was proposed in…. MARCH. ….. Of 2016.

      Its apparent purpose is to control “misinformation”


      12/11/16 7:59 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      Damn…Peter.. 57 comments and counting..

      Before you know it your site might be in the top 100 sites contributing to the Propaganda Link Machine. You might even get a RED dot.

      bartender.. dude I need a shot of 168prf RealityCheck.. now! Oh..and back it up with a bottle of the best Michigan cult beer you have. Just for shits and giggles.

      12/11/16 8:03 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      Are we going to do this… AGAIN????

      I can be accused of a lot of things…. But sociopath????? Not a chance in hell.

      Unless …. Huh????…. Trump??? The “intel ” idiots????


      12/11/16 8:03 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      If things keep going…. I would suggest a few cases of 180 proof “Praise the Lord, and pass the Ammunition”


      12/11/16 8:06 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      12/11/16 8:15 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      Mitch said…


      “If things keep going… I would suggest a few cases of 180 proof “Praise the Lord, and pass the Ammunition”

      What you mean…IF? The angular motion of this election has already tilted the global political unintended consequence upon the axis of the gyroscope of those who believed the gravity of the Constitution would save them. Meanwhile, the egg of the 99% political physics slowly rotates to a halt due to the friction of stupidity. The only thing that will save them is ..facing starvation.

      12/11/16 8:37 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      Texas is a wonderful place.

      And, we have the right to succeed.


      12/11/16 9:11 PM | Comment Link

    • teri said...


      Craig Murray says he has met the leaker (he has maintained all along it was an inside leak, not a “hacker” that gave the emails to wikileaks). Yes, Mitch, I know there has never been any proof there was a hacker, and found it disturbing that that poor fellow who was bringing a lawsuit against the DNC for rigging the election was found mysteriously murdered in DC shortly after the primaries.

      From an article Murray wrote:

      “As Julian Assange has made crystal clear, the leaks did not come from the Russians. As I have explained countless times, they are not hacks, they are insider leaks – there is a major difference between the two. […]

      ‘I know who leaked them,’ Murray said. ‘I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.
      ‘If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.
      ‘America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.’ […](The preceding couple of sentences are from an interview Murray gave to a newspaper, which is why he is referring to himself in the third person.)

      “Now both Julian Assange and I have stated definitively the leak does not come from Russia. Do we credibly have access? Yes, very obviously. Very, very few people can be said to definitely have access to the source of the leak. […]

      “The worst thing about all this is that it is aimed at promoting further conflict with Russia. This puts everyone in danger for the sake of more profits for the arms and security industries – including of course bigger budgets for the CIA. As thankfully the four year agony of Aleppo comes swiftly to a close today, the Saudi and US armed and trained ISIS forces counter by moving to retake Palmyra. This game kills people, on a massive scale, and goes on and on.”

      And the state of Georgia has traced an attempted hack into its election system to our very own Homeland Security:

      Georgia Election System Reportedly Hacked by U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

      “In a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp said a computer traced back to a DHS internet address attempted to breach its system.”


      12/12/16 2:21 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      CIA: Who does he think he is? Doesn’t he know we run this country?

      Yes. Into the ground.

      12/12/16 5:32 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      We at We Meant Well hereby proclaim henceforth in accordance with the thoughts of our dark lord and savior that future mention of the CIA must include “the same guys who said Saddam had WMDs and created the worst foreign policy disaster in our history.”

      12/12/16 5:52 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Teri said….. A lot.

      I will try and catch all the points,

      Starting with…. Thank you.

      So, it was a leak, not a hack, and the “media” is saying what they are told to say…. Even if means war.
      Wonderful… Not….

      Question…. Any bets on… If DHS had succeded in hacking Atlanta, there would have been a recount there to?

      Earlier, in this thread, Solollku ( very cool name, alien hunter) referenced articles where people with lots of creds, and letters after their names were calling for Clinton to “humiliate” Trump, rather than just win.

      Wonder how they feel about that now???x


      12/12/16 7:28 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      And… She was such a nice girl….. Stupid for taking the bait…. But…a nice, crazy, Trump supporter.

      And… Now unemployed …..and probably un-employable.

      Rule one…. Don’t engage with extremest’s… No matter what facet they are in…. Religion, politics,…. Or…. Lgbt…. Whatever the rest of letters are.

      Rule two….. If you are dumb enough to engage them…. Don’t do it on fucking face book.

      Girl should have known she was being set up from go.


      Personally, I don’t give a damn what a persons preferred is… Who cares. Not me.
      I do care when people expect preferred treatment because of their preferences are.

      And, I do care when that preference is used as grounds to attack someone…. And that goes on both sides of the argument.

      As I have said before…. Don’t do well around bullies.


      12/12/16 7:45 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      F the F-35

      12/12/16 8:37 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Washington Post headline. Trump risks war with his two China policy. The guy isn’t POTUS -Obama is and already AsPo has him ready to start a nuclear war with China!
      Is WaPo still publishing? Haven’t they been bought up by National Enquirer by now? If not then NE could get them very cheaply and clean out the newsroom since NE already does such stories. Trump an alien out to doom earth!

      12/12/16 9:33 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Israel gets two f35 today. Who pulls strings? Why do alligators not eat clowns? They taste funny.

      12/12/16 10:35 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      How many elected critters and appointed ones have dual citizenship with other country’s? Is Trump also a citizen of Russia? Bernie supports for jobs in Burlington something (Fu-35).

      12/12/16 10:41 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Is Trump telling friends to short stocks before he Tweets about? Is Killary’s son in law connected to Hedge Funds (is his dad out of jail?). Is Debbie W/Shitz happy about today’s meeting and F35 sales?

      12/12/16 10:44 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Time out. Have to shovel and feed the wood stove.

      12/12/16 10:44 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      80 boeing birds may go to Iran. Jobs. We need good sidewalks!

      12/12/16 11:16 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Looney Tunes Johnny aka Yosemiti Sam Bolton has established the bar for interpreting the fake news about his good friends the Russkies involvement in the hack of the DNC– nobody knows. He thinks it could be a false flag….just like the anthrax terrorism. Well, he certainly learned his lesson after the fake news about Iraqi WMDs. Will be interesting if he assumes the position at State, as everything CIA says happens could be a false flag because NOBODY knows. Hell, Demented Donald could be a child rapist but NOBODY knows. Pence could be a member of the KKK but NOBODY knows. Heck, Johnny B could be a cross dresser But NOBODY knows. One thing we all know, it’s gonna be an incredible next four years if this clown goes back to State.

      12/12/16 12:09 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Chuck, since Goldman Sachs is now “on board” Trump may want to find a slot for Mark Mezvinsky. It will be Trump’s gift to the disheartened Clinton clan. Mark may end up being the main bread winner for the family.

      12/12/16 12:09 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      We DO know Rudy G is a cross dresser.

      12/12/16 12:18 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      He should have been on Maud show (some name like that).

      12/12/16 1:00 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      4 billion for an F35 ! Exceptionalism.

      12/12/16 1:04 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      $anta wants to know if you have been naughty or nice. Clean Coal. Is Rudolf a Rusky?! Be careful!

      12/12/16 1:05 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      Well sooprise sooprise sooprise!!!


      whudda thunk?

      The Russians must be rolling on the floor in gut splitting laughter… @#Dumbest Country on the Planet Actually, the entire planet is.

      I’d kill for a two rolling eyes smiley about now.

      12/12/16 2:57 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      ps..Mitch..I wasn’t calling YOU a sociopath. I was inferring TRUMP.

      12/12/16 2:58 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Chuck: Rudolph DOES have a red nose so that must make make him a commie caribou.

      12/12/16 4:03 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Hey Pitchfork,

      Were good.

      I just saw where Nancy Pelosi’s kid has just jumped on the elector revolt mess.

      Dumbfuckistan. That’s what this country is turning into.


      12/12/16 4:07 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      This one is for you.

      can you believe this crap?

      Plane crashes. Most of the team DIES!!! And the judges fine the ones that had the bad fortune to live… 30k each for not playing a fucking soccor game?

      At least we know the US is not the only one that has lost its marbles.



      12/12/16 4:11 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Hey Peter,

      Think you might have an article in the works all about MASS HYSTERIA ??????

      OMG !!!!!

      Back a couple hundred years ago…. Many people thought the US was about to cease to exist…. Simply because Washington was leaving office….and Adams was coming in….. A few weeks later… People looked around…. And not much had changed.



      12/12/16 5:32 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      Dear Peter..thank you for maintaining a website that expresses the foundations of everything I grew up believing were the values of America.

      12/12/16 7:28 PM | Comment Link

    • bloodypitchfork said...


      oh..btw.. Dear Chuck. Buddy.. about the cutting firewood..

      Most of the commenters here don’t have a clue. I spend two hours a day, at 72 years old, splitting wood daily by hand to keep us warm in the middle of Michigan winters. And THEN,, try and keep up with the fucking political, asinine trajectory of the daily ramifications of what the Trump theater might mean for me. Fuck em.

      12/12/16 7:41 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Here’s what left of Amerika, the freedom to create a national registry of Muslims. It will be expensive, but the costs should be saved when we create similar registries for the Jews, gunholders, bloggers, and other dangerous people. Keep US safe our dark lord and savior.

      12/12/16 8:42 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      What Mr..Bloodypitchfork said.



      12/12/16 8:43 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Pitchfork said:

      Most of the commenters here don’t have a clue.

      Dude…. Are you directing this at me????

      Them there is fighting words.


      12/12/16 8:46 PM | Comment Link

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