• We Could Have Had Biden

    February 20, 2017

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    Joe Biden would have beaten him.


    Think about why Trump won. He was by sheer accident the more or less least worst choice. Despite his behavior, he kept failing upward, right into the White House.


    A large portion of this election was about income disparity, cultural and economic displacement, a sense that the country had abandoned too much of its center. I don’t know how many of those people voted for Trump per se, but some percentage voted against for Hillary Clinton (spare me the popular vote bit, we’re dealing with the reality of the system which was here in 2016 and will be here in 2020.)

    Biden has always been able to speak to many of those who voted for Trump. His roots are in Pennsylvania, his background blue collar. His son served in uniform. He has dealt with personal tragedy and understands it in others. He talks and displays real empathy in a way Hillary could never do, and embarrassed herself when she tried. Biden in the Midwest would have exposed Trump as a fake populist because Biden would have come across as a real one.

    A significant number of voters “like” or dislike a candidate; some of an election is a popularity contest, and everyone likes and trusts Biden. Clinton could never get past herself on that. She was the kid on the debate team; Joe was class clown.

    Think Comey hurt Hillary somehow? Think the Democratic National Committee emails showing Clinton’s dirty tricks against Bernie hurt her? Think the Clinton Foundation, quid pro quo, pay-to-play, the server and coverup, Bill’s sexcapades, Huma, Weiner, health questions, maybe even Benghazi, think any of that cost her votes (it did)? Well, none of that would have touched Biden. Most of America still wouldn’t know who Comey is. Putin could have leaked all the emails in the world and… nothing. Trump could not have played off hiding his tax returns with Clinton hiding her Goldman-Sachs speeches.

    Trump would have had to talk policy and issues. Nothing for Congress to investigate, no scandals. Nothing for the right wing media to feed on. Nothing for the left wing media to have to keep defending.

    Meanwhile, the strengths Clinton had — experience in government, claimed foreign policy skills, whatever good will could be inherited from Obama — would all be there for Biden. Without any baggage. Biden was in the room when bin Laden was killed, too, for whatever that is worth.

    It’s likely Biden would have run a more respectful campaign against Bernie than Clinton did, as he would have been driven, but without being obsessed by fear of failure. He might have run a positive general election campaign, not one that was a continuous flow of hit pieces on Trump that left voters unsure what Hillary had to offer herself.

    That might have brought more Bernie voters out who chose instead to stay home on election day. Biden would have been able to choose a vice president such as Elizabeth Warren that would not have been seen inside the party as a threat to Clinton. Biden, himself a once forever Senator, might even have chosen Bernie as his VP. Imagine a VP choice that inspired, instead of a cynical move like disposable drone Tim Kaine selected just to (barely) grab Virginia’s electoral votes.

    There was much talk abut why Biden didn’t run, centering around the death of his son Beau. It was a major factor. However, sources are clear that pressure was applied to Biden the old-time party man to stand aside, that this was Hillary’s turn, arrangements had been made, deals done. Biden could have whatever else he wanted (other than VP…), choice of cabinet jobs, an emeritus position as ambassador somewhere, appointment to a presidential commission created for him, just name it, Joe.

    Biden said post-election “The family was broken, and I was more broken than I thought I was. How broken? I don’t know what I’d do if I was in a debate and someone said, ‘You’re doing this because of your son,’ I might have walked over and kicked his ass.”

    And in that moment the election would have been over.

    Many Americans outside the coastal media were unconcerned about an old tape of Trump being crude, and did not see his statements as “sexual assault.” They were skeptical about decades old allegations of sexual harassment that seemed to appear on cue just before a debate. But you don’t mess with someone’s dead son, a veteran at that, and had Trump insulted Beau and Joe Biden slugged Trump live on TV, every American who supported Trump would have understood what a bully was and every one of them knows what to do about bullies.

    In the end, you win this way:

    — Pull votes away from the other guy (blue collar Biden)

    — Secure your base (experienced, Obama-Dem Biden) and

    — Don’t lose voters (baggage-free Biden.)

    Clinton failed on all three counts, and it is now President Trump.



    The point here is not just a thought experiment, a political argument to hash out over beers. There’ll be another election in 2020, and Trump will run against another Democrat. If the Democrats can’t understand what election they are running in, and can’t objectively weigh out their candidates’ strengths and weaknesses instead of assuming succession based on internal party logic, they will lose again to Trump.



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    • RICH BAUER said...

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      “There will be another election in 2020, and Trump will run against another Democrat.”

      And the earth is flat.

      Either Trump will cash out or his heart will crash out. As for another election, wow you are an optimist. One month in and he already has waged war against the media as the enemy of the American people. Just think what wars he will start in the next four years.

      02/20/17 7:57 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      And if Biden was president….. It would be the same old, same old thing…..
      We would still have 7 wars… Obamacare would still be broken…national debit would still be 21 plus trillion…

      People would still be pissed off.

      Trump is president…. People need to get used to that reality…

      Maybe…. Just maybe…. If he is attacked less…. He will stop fighting the press… Etc.

      People do hit back when they are attacked.

      02/20/17 9:20 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      There is a reason why the First Lady led with this in Florida.

      Our Father, which art in heaven,
      Hallowed be thy Name.
      Thy Kingdom come.
      Thy will be done in earth,
      As it is in heaven.
      Give us this day our daily bread.
      And forgive us our trespasses,
      As we forgive them that trespass against us.
      And lead us not into temptation,
      But deliver us from evil.
      For thine is the kingdom,
      The power, and the glory,
      For ever and ever.
      Amen.

      02/20/17 9:58 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Mitch, you have been following WMW long enough to know that there can be -and is – only one party, the Wall Street War Party? That it will allow the people to take back its government is as real as the flat earth society.

      02/20/17 10:01 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      As for the media is the enemy of the American people, Trump is beating a dead horse. NYT has been so discredited that it has to print articles by Peter to bolster its credibility.

      As for the media bellowing that Trump’s attacks are the first step to a dictatorship, in Germany the majority said HeiL Hitler, while in America the majority say Fuck Trump. Not a good start for any dictatorship.

      02/20/17 10:21 AM | Comment Link

    • traven said...

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      Would of,could of, didm’t! I agree with Mitch. Biden in would have not changed anything with the neo liberal Clinton bunch. Our efforts now should be on getting Ellison in as DNC head for a little fresh air

      02/20/17 11:29 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Mattis to the Iraqi government: No one is here to seize Iraqi oil. The guy is a loon. We ignore him. So should you.

      02/20/17 12:36 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Trump to the masses about Biden- “So you think he’s so innocent?”
      But Mr. Fish’s cartoon said it all. It has Hillary bursting out of Obama’s chest ala Alien I. She had been there incubating since 2008. Biden wouldn’t have made any difference anyway.

      02/20/17 1:46 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Traven.

      Thank you.

      Rich….

      Neo con… Neo lib… Lib… Con…..

      Whatever…… Still a bunch of people being manipulated by career politicians.

      Take a look at the first Lady’s ‘speech’ in Florida…

      Says everything… A prayer followed by the message… “my husband is trying to make this country safe and prosperous “.

      My biggest bitch about politicians… The inability to use Language anymore.

      The hiding of motives behind ‘language ‘…. Make it sound flowering to say they are taking everything from you.

      The First Lady… And her Husband…. They are…. By intent… Using plain English…. Straight up….

      Trumps speech on the 21st…. The First Lady’s over the weekend….

      Straight to the point.

      His cabinet…. The most successful business people in the country.

      Not politicians.

      Think about it.

      M

      02/20/17 2:04 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Hope Change Believe.

      02/20/17 2:13 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      “We need clean coal.” B.O., Nobel Peace Prize Winner!

      02/20/17 2:19 PM | Comment Link

    • Bruce said...

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      PVB : Mebbe, since Despicable she’s pois(on)ing (teh DEM WELL) Again to RUN; you should write a sequel, The Ghosts of Queen HELL ! (But, meantime; where are the indictments?).

      02/20/17 2:31 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      This week the corrupt DNC will have a so-called Democratic selection of a leader. Podesta 2017 DNC

      02/20/17 2:41 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      11 unidentified passengers walked through a security lane without being screened at Kennedy Airport early Monday because the TSA left the area open and unattended, law enforcement sources said.

      A security camera captured a metal detector going off three times as the travelers walked through the screening lane, the sources said.

      The breach happened around 6 a.m. at Terminal 5, but two hours passed before Transportation Security Administration officials notified the Port Authority Police Department, the sources said.

      When they were finally notified, Port Authority cops flooded the terminal equipped with surveillance photos of the travelers, but none of them could be found, the sources said.

      Must have been them damn Syrian terrorists headed for Sweden after the Bowling Green massacre.

      02/20/17 2:44 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Pode$ta/Clinton/DNC/Profits/2020 – The empire is falling. Friends, help the people. Peace . . .

      02/20/17 2:44 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      On topic: I love trains. Thanks, Joe.

      02/20/17 2:48 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich said..

      ” RICH BAUER on February 20, 2017 at 14:44 said:
      11 unidentified passengers walked through a security lane without being screened at Kennedy Airport early Monday because the TSA left the area open and unattended, law enforcement sources said.
      A security camera captured a metal detector going off three times as the travelers walked through the screening lane, the sources said.
      The breach happened around 6 a.m. at Terminal 5, but two hours passed before Transportation Security Administration officials notified the Port Authority Police Department, the sources said.
      When they were finally notified, Port Authority cops flooded the terminal equipped with surveillance photos of the travelers, but none of them could be found, the sources said.
      Must have been them damn Syrian terrorists headed for Sweden after the Bowling Green massacre. “…

      So…. How… Exactly…. Are you blaming Trump for this????

      After 9th appeals court stays???.. After all the protests???…

      02/20/17 2:53 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      (deleted)

      Have a nice day!

      02/20/17 2:54 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      02/20/17 2:59 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      “Hey JOE.’ J.Hendrix

      02/20/17 3:02 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      Remember when I said challenging the travel ban was political suicide????

      Here you go.

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/20/suspect-in-denver-light-rail-station-murder-was-wanted-for-possible-deportation.html

      M

      02/20/17 3:16 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Mitch, my comments are about this dumbass country. We had 9-11 because the dumbass FAA kissed the ass of the airlines and would not dare inconvenience the airlines by securing the damn cockpits until after 3000 people died. We kissed the ass of Saudis to allow dumbass terrorists get visas and go to flight school to learn how to fly and not land. We are worried about Syrian refugees while we still fail to protect our passengers from incompetence and insider threats.

      02/20/17 3:33 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      Good answer.
      But…. Don’t start me on 911. It happened because very powerful people wanted it to happen. And…. They were not Saudi.

      But…. Here’s something to look at.

      Question…
      Did you know the US was playing games in zimbabwe???

      And … YES. There is a reoccuring theme here.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39027611

      M

      02/20/17 3:39 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Question.

      Which one is worse???

      http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39004753

      M

      02/20/17 3:59 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Mitch- agree on the 9/11 thingee. It was allowed to transpire since it would be such a wonderful invasion excuse0 global hegemony being the ultimate goal. My view is the same with the JFK thingee. People knew a hit had been put out but sat back to enjoy the show. Then when it actually happened instead of a botched assassination they went to deep cover.

      02/20/17 6:57 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Assholes with their “Not my president” don’t get it. I abhorred Hillary but had she won I would be hoping she would do well with the position and certainly not attacked her in the way the Trump attackers are going after the Donald. The Hillary losers are strangely unaware of what their childish actions would engender. If Trump is destroyed in his first term——then what?

      02/20/17 7:03 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      JP, 9-11 is a monument to our government’s stupidity.

      Your RSO son will be able to tell you how incompetent your government is, that no one needed to allow anything to happen. It was a total team effort. Kudos to the managerial turf wars at the NSA, FBI and CIA for not connecting the dots. If the American people knew these idiots were “protecting” them, they would not be able to sleep at night. As for the JFK assassination, if Lee Harvey wasn’t such an incompetent shot, JFK would not have died that day. Governor’Connelly would have.

      Hanlon’s razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity,”

      02/20/17 7:30 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      You asked me once, if we were separated at birth…. Because of the age difference…. I don’t think so….

      But….

      We are definitely family, somehow.

      Absolutely agreed on all points.

      M

      02/20/17 7:32 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Bauer- My theory is that just about everyone knew Oswald was going to “scare” the president. It was meant as a warning shot via the CIA to back off being such a hands on POTUS. Due to Oswald’s military training- hey I had the same training- he went for a head shot and got incredibly lucky. It wasn’t supposed to happen an actual assassination- but instead a warning to JFK. A fender runner would have ended up seriously wounded but those in the limo were not the intended target. Just a theory of course. If the CIA, FBI or Castro had arranged for a backup shooter is way beyond my speculationl

      02/20/17 8:03 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      My thought is simple.

      Johnson wanted to be President. He figured it was his turn.

      M

      02/20/17 8:16 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Donald Trump is all for free speech…until it costs him:

      Milo Yiannopoulos, the provocative conservative journalist who is often portrayed as a champion of the far right, is facing possible dismissal from his employer, Breitbart News, over comments he once made about underage sex, FOX Business has learned.

      His possible dismissal could could come by the end of the day, sources from the conservative website told FOX Business. Earlier Monday, Yiannopoulos was disinvited to speak at a gathering of the Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) scheduled for this weekend.

      Donald Trump threatened to strip federal funds from the University of California Berkeley after protests against right-wing speaker Milo Yiannopoulos turned violent Wednesday night.

      “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view – NO FEDERAL FUNDS?,” Trump tweeted the following morning.

      02/20/17 8:51 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      Ever been to UC Berkeley????

      If you haven’t.. Relax……

      Crazy is the rule there

      If you have….. Different narcotics…..

      M

      02/20/17 9:30 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Still waiting for Trump to tweet about CPAC not allowing free speech for someone with a different point of view. So what if they disagree with their sexual perversion, would that oapply to pussygrabbers too?

      02/21/17 9:52 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Mitch- many also feel Johnson was behind the JFK hit. I still feel Oswald was paid to just scare JFK-cripple a fender runner and then be off. It was to soften JFK -make him listen more to the
      CIA and remind JFK that the CIA should be able to do whatever nefarious stuff they want to do without JFK trying to rein them in. It was never supposed to result in the death of JFK. Then Ruby magically appears and “end of story”. Maybe future historians might print the truth which might be something we can’t presently imagine.

      02/21/17 10:20 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      18 months for soldier killing an injured person ?

      02/21/17 10:58 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      I do not know if Ellison can save the D Party, but if he does not win, the protests will continue and the D party will fail. Have a nice day. Trump beat 15 or more established R’s. Change Hope Believe? I do not support Trump or Ellison!

      02/21/17 11:22 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      So… Your thinking it was kind of a loan shark trick?…. Break some fingers…. Scare the crap out of kennedy??

      Problem I see with that is…. I have fired rifles exactly like Oswald’s….. Horribly inaccurate…. I seriously doubt Oswald could have actually made those shots.

      So…… Now that we have just walked up the grassy knoll.

      M

      02/21/17 12:43 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Chuck.

      I saw….. And that is exactly the problem with having soliders do law enforcement and community policing.

      Cops are trained to stop.

      Soliders are trained to kill.

      Which opens the door on my personal problem with militarization of law enforcement.

      Two different worlds.

      M

      02/21/17 12:48 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      So !!!

      Now that the discussion about President Trump’s comments about the unrest in Sweden is officially concluded….

      Go figure…. The President of the United States has better Intel than CNN.

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/rioting-erupts-in-immigrant-dominated-swedish-suburb.html

      Hmmmmmmmmm……. Makes ya think, huh?

      M

      02/21/17 1:00 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      02/21/17 1:10 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Either Milo dickgrabbers or Trump pussygrabbers, depending on their perversion.

      02/21/17 2:39 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Still waiting on the Trump CPAC tweet. He is probably golfing.

      02/21/17 2:40 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Milo fired, butt he took it like a man.

      02/21/17 3:04 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Mitch- again my pure speculation is that what happened wasn’t supposed to happen- a scenario that isn’t too uncommon. Backup shooters ala Parallax View scenario? Maybe.

      02/21/17 3:20 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Milo? Trump? Bueller?

      02/21/17 3:44 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      Yep… Understand. …. Exactly.

      M

      02/21/17 6:32 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Trump silent on Milo preversion.

      Trump: Silence is consent. Can you hear me now?

      Silence is golden…like showers.

      02/21/17 6:34 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      As in his “day off “?

      Its a distraction…. Milo is a nut…. Has been for a long time.

      What’s pretty crappy is….. He’s the poster child for “conservatives ”

      M

      02/21/17 6:35 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Maybe Trump will look before he tweets. A grownup should tell the clown he is not winning anything in the twitter wars. He won. Grow the fuck up.

      02/21/17 7:31 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Hillary to run in 2020? Is she already issuing campaign buttons?
      “I’m with whatever is left of her in 2020!”

      02/22/17 8:31 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      I think Perez will be a Debbie for her.

      02/22/17 8:53 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      What job will Donna Brazille get after new head of DNC? Why have we not seen her blue haired lying behind? !!? Will she work for the Clinton Foundation?

      02/22/17 8:57 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Its official…..

      There is now a medical diagnosis for what’s been happening.

      Post inauguration stress disorder. (PISD )… Aka… Pissed.

      Funny part… Its not bullshit. Doctors are actually using it …. Search it.

      M

      02/22/17 9:00 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      She will be around…. Womans harder to get rid of than carpenter ants.
      Does about the same thing to….. Destroys everything.

      M

      02/22/17 9:02 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Chuck.

      She’ll go to work for the California UC system.

      Clinton foundation is “not hiring at this time ”

      M

      02/22/17 9:04 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Every Republican donor is secretly funding her 2020 campaign.

      02/22/17 9:44 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Would J.Podesta and Co.$, PAC’s etc. push “Her” to run, to make money and power for four years for self and friend$? “You Betcha” S.P.. “I did not have sex with that women” (Chuck quote, regarding rumors I slept with Sarah”. Have a nice day. Wage Peace and Justice.

      02/22/17 9:56 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Chuck???

      Are you saying you slept with Sarah????…

      M

      02/22/17 10:09 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Listen to Jimi? “I Have A Dream” MLK. Yes We Scan…

      02/22/17 11:29 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      B.S., B.O., etc. . Have a nice day! Help the People.

      02/22/17 12:10 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      This guy has a unique way of explaining things.

      http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/22/were-all-trumpatized-now.html

      M

      02/22/17 2:16 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Well…. Bummer….total bummer….

      No more beating pedophiles…. What ever will rednecks do on Saturday night now ?

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39047883

      M

      02/22/17 3:43 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      That photo of Biden is priceless; he just heard Trump’s great new idea to deport non-Mexicans to Mexico. And he heard Mexico’s response: No thanks.

      02/22/17 5:08 PM | Comment Link

    • Jack said...

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      Biden 2020?

      02/22/17 7:19 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Putin 2020

      02/22/17 7:21 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      He could be sending them to Canada.

      M

      02/22/17 8:08 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Here is a compromise: send them all to Texas and then Mexico can have Texas back.

      02/23/17 7:08 AM | Comment Link

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