• Crushing Free Speech (Oh, Let’s Save Democracy That Way!)

    March 15, 2017

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    Posted in: Democracy, Post-Constitution America



    I’m not advocating violence. I’m hoping to stop it.

    So this guy beat the crap out of this Black Lives Matter woman; she was spewing out hate speech, really racist stuff, and the guy acted in self-defense. Then some people who opposed Trump’s travel ban started calmly laying out their views on a street corner, and the same guy, who believes deep into his soul that Muslims are a threat to democracy and allowing them into America is a step toward fascism, got a bunch of his buddies together and by sheer force of numbers shouted down the pro-Muslim people, forcing them to run away for fear for their safety.

    Justification? The dude was pretty clear he was just exercising his First Amendment rights, that it was wrong for those protesters to have a platform and hey, he isn’t the government and the 1A only applies to the government, not private acts like his. Sure violence is bad in isolation, but in defense of freedom, well, by any means necessary. While he was beating on the activists, he shouted he “understands the moral and practical limitations of wholly free discourse.”

    After wiping hippie blood of his knuckles, this patriot took to a mainstream media outlet and wrote this:

    But this moment in American politics and American life proves that the victory of reason cannot always be assured. The purveyors of logic, of facts dutifully checked and delivered to the public, lost big league in November. The cost has been an erosion of our national character that we will be powerless to stop unless we fight prejudice wherever it lies. The critics of political correctness have argued that shutting down certain conversations may bear political costs and alienate potential allies. This is a certainty. Morality is alienating. But the costs of being moral have been borne successfully by innumerable movements for social change. This is, to borrow a phrase, a time for choosing.



    You get it yet?


    The actions above, and the quote above, were written by an author for Slate, in justification for the students of Middlebury College, and “activists” elsewhere, using acts like violence and shouting down speakers to stop speech they personally judged as hate and/or offensive or dangerous.

    The latest specific case involved some guy named Charles Murray. I have no idea who he is, but a lot of people say he is a racist so let’s go with that. But I don’t care.

    I simply cannot believe that it is the left, or progressives, or whatever name is best, that are attacking people’s speech. I’ve written extensively about what I call “Post-Constitution America,” an era that started on 9/11 where the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights no longer applied. I never imagined it would play out this way.

    And I know that the 1A does not apply to non-government actions, no need to educate me. But I also cannot believe I have to tell people like the author of the article above that stopping people from saying things that offend them is exactly the tool real live fascists and anti-democratic people use. They send brownshirts to break up rallies, accuse activists of inciting riots, take away access to platforms like newspapers and media, by violence or any other means necessary.

    When you advocate for closing off speech, the bad guys have already won. If you’re too stupid to see that, please ask for a refund from wherever you got your reducation, because you learned nothing. In a free and open society you get some good and some bad and you are not allowed to define those words for others. You let the ideas exist so that each person can define them.


    And I sincerely hope when someone punches you, or shouts you down, or takes away your platform by hacking your website, you are equally tolerant of their goals and tactics. Idiots.




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    • John Poole said...

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      Why didn’t the students at Middlebury just pull a Ray McGovern? Oops, they are all probably Clintonistas who would violently escort the speaker.

      03/15/17 9:39 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Nice John !

      03/15/17 10:11 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Please release Rachel Maddow’s Tax return!

      03/15/17 11:11 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Free speech – Fuck the fake media. So called freedom in the USA isn’t free.

      http://therealnews.com/t2/story:18664:New-Mike-Brown-Footage-Discredits-Ferguson-Police-Account

      The corporate media in the US gives corporate soundbites for the elite of the oligarchs.
      THIS JUST IN . . . kill your television.
      Have a nice day.

      03/15/17 11:54 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      McGovern/2020

      Truth/2020

      I’m off to campaign!

      03/15/17 11:56 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      David Duke: Steve King 2020

      Steve King: Charles Mason 2020

      03/15/17 12:34 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Hate speech ain’t free. Is Trump singing a different song when it comes to libeling Obama?

      “One of the things I’m going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we’re certainly leading. I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We’re going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected,” Trump said.

      Trump’s free speech is gonna cost him.

      03/15/17 2:08 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      And Fox News and other corporate media are free to censure free speech by not reporting it.

      03/15/17 2:17 PM | Comment Link

    • Frank said...

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      Agree in principle! There comes a point where bigly lines get crossed however and the majority have less of a problem. I.e flag burning or the Westboro Baptist crazies. Nobody really minds when the cop looks the other way while somebody deals with them

      03/15/17 3:37 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Speaking of idiots and their right to free speech, demented Donald’s tweets of mass media distraction are losing their effectiveness.

      Trump: Can you imagine what the outcry would be if @SnoopDogg, failing career and all, had aimed and fired the gun at President Obama? Jail time!

      No one gives a shot, Donald.

      03/15/17 6:05 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Peter

      I think we already had this talk….

      Defend their right to say it…. Condone it… Oh, Hell No!!!

      alternative side…

      West Bourgh Baptist Church.
      Headed to Dallas to protest at a soliders funeral.

      They were met by a wall, 30 feet thick.. 3/4 of a mile long… Of Aggies…just standing there… Dead silent….pure intimidation…

      West Bourgh just kept just on driving by. … They headed up to Washington State.

      Who was right?…. Who was wrong?

      M

      03/15/17 8:37 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      And….. Just in time for this discussion…..

      And… To save the world….. Ladies and Gentlemen….boys and girls….

      If I may direct your attention to the next 3 ring circus….

      “. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has announced that it will build a “a state-of-the-art command center in Silicon Valley” to monitor and fight anything online that it determines is “hate.”

      The ADL is known for attacking individuals who criticize Israel as allegedly “anti-Semitic.” Its website states: “ADL has always been a strong voice for Israel.”

      Critics of the organization have noted that its fundraising strategy relies on finding “anti-Semitism” and charge that it often exaggerates this threat.

      A former Israeli minister stated that Israel and its partisans often use the charge of anti-Semitism against those who speak discuss Israel’s oppression of Palestinians: “It’s a trick, we always use it.” The ADL was the initiator of hate crimes legislation in the United States, launching this campaign in 1981.

      ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt announced the new center on March 12 at a music festival in Austin, Texas. Accompanying him was Texas Tribune Editor-in-Chief Evan Smith.

      According to the ADL’s press release on the project, the new center “will write reports, compile data, and “provide insights to government and policy makers.” The center will use the “best-in-class technology,” according to Greenblatt.

      “This is a natural extension of the cyber hate work ADL has been doing for decades,” Greenblatt said, “and builds on the new presence we established last year in the Valley to collaborate even closer on the threat with the tech industry.”

      The Omidyar Network is providing seed funding for the project. According to its website, Omidyar Network is a “philanthropic investment  firm” that works to “catalyze economic and social change.” Founded by Ebay creator Pierre Omidyar, the organization has dispersed over a billion dollars since its inception in 2004.

      According to the ADL release, “The new center will leverage ADL’s long-standing relationships with law enforcement.“ It will evaluate artificial intelligence, big data, augmented/virtual reality, and other technologies as potential tools.

      The center’s director will be Brittan Heller, who joined the ADL in September 2016 from the U.S. Department of Justice.

      CEO Greenblatt came to the ADL from the tech word, with experience “starting ventures, raising capital, developing products, and crafting partnerships in Silicon Valley.

      According to the ADL, “Over the next several months, Heller, Greenblatt, and the ADL team will engage with a wide range of stakeholders in Silicon Valley and beyond as they work to stand up this new center.” ”

      Nope…. Can’t see anything that might go wrong with this mess…. Nope… Nada…

      I support Israel…. But… I do Not support where this is going to lead.

      Going back to bury my head in the sand.

      M

      03/15/17 10:51 PM | Comment Link

    • Eric Hodgdon said...

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      What’s tolerated or not changes over time.

      Speech works when there’s a message being made where others will want to take note, and I would hope the message would be one of worth to others in being of value to them. Anger, hate, and violence are tools one uses when thinking becomes rather limited. I’ve been there, well maybe not hate.

      As to how things have “played out” since 2001, well, I’ve become much more forthcoming, open, and exacting besides staying true to my core in confronting and raising concerns. Just what the heck am I writing is open to all sorts of interpretations including how I’ll read it in 5 years or so.

      One bottom line could be in trying to form a unified block of people based on commonalities with others to have a society. What? Societies are fluids thick and thin in constant flux and ours is one of louder volume as we become dispersed into the increasing masses.

      03/15/17 11:51 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      When our fearless leader gets his ” intelligence” from Fox News we are really fluxed.

      Trump: I do. I do. But I think that frankly we have a lot right now. And I think if you watch—if you watched the Bret Baier and what he was saying and what he was talking about and how he mentioned the word “wiretap,” you would feel very confident that you could mention the name. He mentioned it. And other people have mentioned it. But if you take a look at some of the things written about wiretapping and eavesdropping… and don’t forget I say wiretapping, those words were in quotes. That really covers—because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff—but that really covers surveillance and many other things. And nobody ever talks about the fact that it was in quotes, but that’s a very important thing. But wire tape covers a lot of different things. I think you’re going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks.”

      Our fearless leader has not received the intelligence that our intelligence agencies said his wiretap tweet is bullshit because Fox News won’t report it.

      03/16/17 12:36 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Mitch,

      Right on.

      Israel still gets 3.1 billion of our taxes in foreign aid in Trump’s budget so it can buy US weapons, but Meals On Wheels gets ditched. America FIRST apparently doesn’t apply to retched poor people. Why don’t they just die?

      03/16/17 2:20 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Trump-Ryan Care is on life support. What will Trump tweet next to divert our attention now that the Obama Trump Tower wiretap has been disproven?

      How about releasing copies of his taxes for the past ten years?

      03/16/17 2:25 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Death and Trump’s taxes

      Will be interesting to see how many tweets Trump can milk from his “tax leak” to distract US from the death wish he has for the poor.

      Trump: Medicare, what is it could for? Absolutely nothing.

      03/16/17 2:38 PM | Comment Link

    • Eric Hodgdon said...

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      Here’s a piece http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/why-black-bloc-wont-build-successful-movement/ where I feel the true to non-violence way is not being practiced, in other words they don’t hold true to what and how I understand non-violence to be. Being of the non-violent way to solve issues, I understand it can be difficult to adhere to the spirit of that way, but all effort MUST be made in all forms thought and discourse. Of course I may be wrong.

      03/17/17 5:16 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Whats Irish and only comes out in the spring? Patty O. Furniture.

      03/17/17 8:08 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Eric.

      Interesting link.

      You would think it was a simple answer.

      M

      03/17/17 8:55 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      CE 2017: Trump to his buddies: “Let’s finally get rid of that, ‘Ye shall always have the poor with us’ crap. We’re gonna have robots to wash our feet and rub expensive oil in our hair. We’re doing God’s work by eliminating the poor!”

      03/17/17 9:15 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      What your describing is “silver spoon mentality “….. It came back and bit Rome, bigtime.

      Trump is no different than Clinton in that aspect.

      Neither of them have a clue as to what poor really looks like, feels like, or tastes like.

      M

      03/17/17 9:24 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Ok…. Back of topic… Anyone want to sound in on this?

      The painting thing is going to court…. So…. Not only will lawyers be determining free speech… And freedom of expression…. But art critics as well.

      Personally… I don’t like it…. Offensive is to strong a word though. ….

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/16/judge-to-rule-on-controversial-pig-painting-at-capitol.html

      M

      03/17/17 9:30 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      03/17/17 9:37 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Mitch- my guess is that Patrick Kennedy has an IED confessional book in him but he’ll need a pardon from Trump before publishing which suggests the book will only be released after Patrick Kennedy’s death.

      03/17/17 10:10 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Mitch,

      Trump should build a monument to Hillarious and place it as a tombstone at the front of the State Department.

      “For its complicity in enabling Hillarious Clinton’s deceptive behavior and endangering the national security, The State Department has been closed until further notice.”

      03/17/17 10:49 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      That’s actually a really good idea.

      M

      03/17/17 11:06 AM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      John.

      Are you saying we should be looking for Patrick Kennedy to make a presidential run in 2020?

      “its His turn “….????

      Same tatics Hillary was using.

      M

      03/17/17 11:09 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      Bauer- it is a puzzlement to me why STATE became Hillary Rodham Clinton’s abettor. Maybe it is just the effect of swamp gas on the consciences of those who work in the filled-in marsh of DC.

      03/17/17 11:14 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Why? State is really not that different from any other government agency or business. Follow orders, get promoted. Stand up to do the right thing and get your head cut off.

      03/17/17 11:24 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Demented Donald has already proven he is a bigger threat to our national security than Hillarious. Putin will build a monument/tombstone to Trump and place it in Red Square with the inscription:

      “In recognition of his efforts to foment civil war in the Un-united States of America, we, the Russian people, give thanks to Donald John Trump and bestow upon him the Order of Lenin. “

      03/17/17 2:19 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      I am on my private server. Have a nice day!

      03/17/17 3:39 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      Your going to have to try A LOT harder than that to show Trump being a bigger threat than Hillary.
      A lot harder.

      M

      03/17/17 3:47 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...

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      There might be only one person who can save America from Hillary running in 2020- Patrick Kennedy………. Say what? No way! – I just heard they found him with a single gun shot to the head in the Vince Foster Estuary at the Susan McDougal hidden retreat for lapsed Democrats.

      03/18/17 8:28 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      JP,

      whatever you are having, make it a double. It is the only way we are going to make it through the next four years.

      “Give me Medicaid or give me death.”

      03/18/17 9:02 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Trumped-up

      The guy who first used this term must have been a prophet.

      03/18/17 9:26 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      And the guy who makes the trumped up charges would be the false prophet.

      03/18/17 10:53 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Trump, you’re fired:

      Americans favor Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Vice President Mike Pence over President Donald Trump. A majority of Americans also disapprove of Trump’s job performance so far as president.

      A Fox News poll asked 1,008 registered voters whether or not they had a favorable or unfavorable view of people including the president, vice president, Sanders and several other political figures. The poll also asked voters to rate their opinions of organizations and policies like Planned Parenthood and Obamacare.

      Sixty-one percent of voters had a favorable opinion of Sanders compared to just 44 percent of voters who had a favorable opinion of Trump. Only 32 percent of voters had an unfavorable view of Sanders while 53 percent found Trump unfavorable.

      03/18/17 11:12 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Trump (to Merkel): At least we have something in common, perhaps.

      Yes, history will lament how both countries suffered the consequences of allowing a lunatic who lost the popular vote to be in charge.

      03/18/17 1:22 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      Free speech is best defended by giving the other guy enough rope to hang himself:

      White House spokesman Sean Spicer on Friday flatly denied that the US apologized to the British government after he repeated an uncorroborated report that its intelligence agency had wiretapped President Trump with the blessing of then-President Barack Obama.

      “I don’t think we regret anything. We literally listed a litany of media reports that are in the public domain,” Spicer told reporters at the White House.

      Reports from the UK press indicated that Spicer apologized to British officials at a St. Patrick’s Day party Thursday night in Washington.

      Spicer on Thursday cited remarks by Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News that Obama used the British spy agency known as GCHQ to wiretap Trump.

      A spokesman for the agency responded to the claim: “Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct ‘wiretapping’ against the then president-elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”

      Trump told visiting German reporters to talk to Fox News about Spicer’s comments.White House spokesman Sean Spicer on Friday flatly denied that the US apologized to the British government after he repeated an uncorroborated report that its intelligence agency had wiretapped President Trump with the blessing of then-President Barack Obama.

      “I don’t think we regret anything. We literally listed a litany of media reports that are in the public domain,” Spicer told reporters at the White House.

      Reports from the UK press indicated that Spicer apologized to British officials at a St. Patrick’s Day party Thursday night in Washington.

      Spicer on Thursday cited remarks by Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News that Obama used the British spy agency known as GCHQ to wiretap Trump.

      A spokesman for the agency responded to the claim: “Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct ‘wiretapping’ against the then president-elect are nonsense. They – Trump and Spcer- are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”

      Note: Judge for yourself. The source is a clown who lives in one of Trump’s buildings. He cited a “source” who has a blog who knows a CIA source who thinks the Brits did it.

      03/18/17 2:23 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Now that Chelsea Clinton is on the board of Expedia, I wonder if she is suggesting staying at Banksy’s Walled Off Hotel? The U.N. scrubbed report regarding Israeli Apartheid, and U.N. head of report quit. BDS.

      03/18/17 7:05 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      Rich.

      Thought you would have learned about news polls, by now.

      After all…. The ‘Polls’ predicted Hillarys 99% win, right?

      M

      03/18/17 7:51 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...

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      03/18/17 7:55 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...

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      See Hillarious is already working on getting Trump reelected.

      Hillary, go the fuck away and stay the fuck away, you dumb bitch.

      03/18/17 10:31 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...

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      Rich, I think many in the (D)umb party think she can win in 2020!

      03/19/17 5:57 AM | Comment Link

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