• Five Bad Arguments to Restrict Speech

    August 20, 2018

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    Posted in: Post-Constitution America

    Without free speech people stop thinking, losing out on all but a narrowing band of ideas. Open discussion, debate, and argument are the core of democracy. Bad ideas are defeated by good ideas. Fascism seeks to close off all ideas except its own.

    Yet all of these most basic concepts of free speech in our nation are under threat, and too many of them are under threat from the left. I never thought I would write that last phrase, just as I never thought I’d need to explain five bad arguments the Left is using to restrict speech from the Right.


    Despicable People

    Despicable people and their ideas have always existed, though it is essentially a quick summary of the whole point of free speech to remind that at different times in our history speaking out against slavery, against war, against one president or another, have all been seen as despicable. Restrictions on free speech have been used to ban great literature, books about women’s reproductive health, and photos once deemed “pornopgraphic” now displayed as art. Someone will always find an idea or word offensive. Allowing that person to judge for all of us has never proven to be on the right side of history.

    The arrival in 2017 of neo-nazis, alt-right, white supremacists, racists, and the many flavors of ‘phobes is sadly nothing new. The current poster children for hate, Richard Spencer, Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, and Charles Murray, are no one new either (Coulter’s first book came out in 1998; Murray published his loathed book on welfare in 1984 and both have spoken publicly ever since.) What does seem to be new is that their opposition — the antifa, the anti-fascists — is now aggressively embracing many of the same tools once used to try and stop the anti-war movement, feminists, and other progressive groups in the past. The justification is Everything Is Different since November’s election, and the old rules not only don’t apply, but that wishy-washy democratic ideals of free speech are now a threat to democracy.


    Punching Nazis

    And so an incident at the Trump inaugural set “Is it OK to punch a Nazi for what he said?” bouncing around the media, including in the New York Times and The Nation, two venerable outlets which have otherwise long fought for free speech, and whose writers have long risked jail time in the practice of it.

    What happened was that alongside the inauguration Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer was explaining live on camera the meaning of Pepe the Frog, a silly cartoon figure somehow adopted as a mascot by the anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, and anti-feminist movement Spencer promotes. An anonymous black-clad antifa protester ran into the scene and sucker punched Spencer. His free speech was ended by that act of violence.

    There followed tens of thousands of comments on the YouTube videos of the attack. The standard response was “I don’t condone violence BUT…” and then go on to condone violence. Another popular comment was to invoke Hitler, claiming violence is now justified as a leftist response to hateful speech by the right, and that if perhaps more people had punched Hitler in the early days the world would be a better place. More than a few people online also suggested punching someone in the head is in fact a form of protected free speech itself, and others seem to think whatever they label as “hate speech” is a crime. Others used phrases along the lines of “the end justifies the means” and “by any means necessary.”

    A popular meme was to put different songs, many calling for more violence, behind the punching video. Jon Favreau, a former speechwriter for Barack Obama, tweeted “I don’t care how many different songs you set Richard Spencer being punched to, I’ll laugh at every one.”

    Following the Spencer attack, similar violence landed at Middlebury College, then at a rally where one protester who displayed a Confederate flag was attacked, and at the University of California Berkeley (the university was ironically home to the Vietnam War protest-era Free Speech Movement.) Institutions, including Berkeley and New York University, canceled, postponed, or scheduled into dead zones for attendance speeches by conservative speakers, citing public safety concerns.

    What grew out of the Spencer incident and those in Berkeley, Middlebury and elsewhere are a series of inaccurate and/or weak arguments from too many in favor of restricting speech. Let’s look at some, and why they do not hold up.


    1. The First Amendment Only Applies to Government?

    The first fallacious argument used to shut down free speech is that the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights in our Constitution only applies to government, and so universities or other entities are entitled to censor, restrict or shut down altogether speech willy-nilly.

    Short Answer: Not really. Public funding invokes the First Amendment for schools, and free speech runs deeper than the Bill of Rights. It’s as much a philosophical argument as a legal one, not a bad thing for a nation founded on a set of ideas (and ideals.)


    Free speech in America is an unalienable right, and goes as deep into the concept of a free society as any idea can. Though cited as far back as 1689 in England, the American version of this was laid out most clearly by Thomas Jefferson, in the mighty Declaration of Independence, where he wrote of rights that flowed from his notion of The Creator, not from government, and thus were fixed.

    Jefferson’s invocation of the Creator is understood now as less that free speech is heaven-sent and more that it is something that exists before and after our time. Government thus did not give us the right to free speech and therefore cannot take it away. The First Amendment simply codifies that latter part, laying out like much of the Bill of Rights what the government cannot do. So the argument that the First Amendment does not necessarily apply to all public speaking can be both true and irrelevant at the same time, and the latter is more important. Abetting free speech is an obligation in a democracy in general, and to an institution devoted to truth and education in the particular.

    And though the fundamental argument is the controlling one, there does also exist a legal one that extends the First Amendment restrictions to institutions that accept Federal funding (which means most of them); in the 1995 case Rosenberger v. University of Virginia, the Supreme Court held that the University could not fund all student publications except those addressing religious views because such a policy violated the institution’s constitutional obligation not to discriminate against particular viewpoints.

    Bottom Line: Universities are not free to restrict speech simply because they are not the government. They should be ashamed of themselves for trying to find ways to circumvent free speech instead of promoting it.


    2. What’s Said May Provoke Violence in the Room (A Clear and Present Danger)

    Some claim that certain conservative speakers, such as Milo Yiannopoulos, who purposefully use anti-LGBTQ slurs to provoke their audiences, should be banned or shut down. Their speech is the equivalent of yelling Fire! in a crowded movie theatre when there is no actual danger, provoking a deadly stampede for the exits.

    Short Answer: The standards for shutting down speech are very restrictive, and well-codified. Milo comes nowhere close.


    The Fire! line from a Supreme Court decision Schenck v. United States by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes is often cited as justification for limiting free speech. Here’s what Holmes wrote:

    The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger.

    The full decision says the First Amendment doesn’t protect false speech that meets three conditions: 1) the speech must be demonstrably false; 2) it must be likely to cause real harm, not just offense or hurt feelings, and 3) must do so immediately. That’s the “clear and present danger.”

    This interpretation of the First Amendment has been adjudicated to impose a high barrier to restrictions on what can be blocked or banned, and over the years has allowed flags to be burned in front of veterans, Nazis to march among Holocaust survivors, artists to make religious sculptures from their own body waste.

    Schenck was what jurists call bad law, in that it sought to use the Espionage Act against a Socialist pamphleteer, to stop free speech, not protect it (in other words, the pamphleteer was determined to be a clear and present danger in wartime and rightfully arrested.) The case was eventually overturned, and in truth Holmes’ statement was originally intended to mean the First Amendment is not absolute, that restriction is lawful, along with the developing idea that restriction on speech should be narrow and limited.

    It was the later case of Brandenburg v. Ohio that refined the modern standard for restricting speech to that “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” But we talk about Holmes’ “fire in a crowded theatre” line as a kind of shorthand for all that.

    Justice Holmes, perhaps as an act of contrition, later wrote in another landmark case:

    The ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas — that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out.

    Bottom Line: The Supreme Court has set a very high bar against restricting speech based on the idea that what is being said leading to violence. Concerns, offense or general threats alone are insufficient to justify silencing someone as a solution.


    3. What’s Said May Provoke Violence Outside (Public Safety)

    The idea that a university or other venue cannot assure a speaker’s safety, or that the speaker’s presence may provoke violent protests, or that the institution just doesn’t want to go to the trouble or expense of protecting a controversial speaker has become the go-to justification for canceling or restricting speech. Berkley cited this in canceling and then de-platforming (rescheduling her when most students would not be on campus) Ann Coulter, whose campus sponsors are now suing, and New York University cited the same justification for canceling an appearance by Milo Yiannopoulos.

    Short Answer: Canceling a speaker to protect them or public safety is the absolute last resort, and some risk to safety is part of the cost to a free society for unfettered speech.


    The most glaring misuse of this argument is when such a justification is applied only toward one strain of speech, say unilaterally against conservative speakers and not against others. The conclusion can only be danger comes from unpopular ideas based solely on their being presented on a left-leaning campus. The argument of restricting a speaker “for their own safety” who is otherwise willing to take on certain risks to make their voice heard can thus be applied in a biased manner. Restricting speech for safety needs to be content neutral.

    Public safety has been long (mis)-used to silence otherwise protected speech. Recently the town of Urbana, Illinois arrested someone burning an American flag (an act long-held to be a form of protected speech) claiming he was in danger from bystanders. Such thinking has in the past been used to deny permits for civil rights marches, with law enforcement saying they could not protect the protestors. Both sides in the abortion debate have used this argument as well outside clinics.

    While institutions do have an obligation to public safety, that obligation must be balanced against the public’s greater right to engage with free speech. Though there exists opinion on the proper balance, the answer is rarely to ban speech outright simply to maintain order.

    One landmark case from 2015 provides some of the clearest guidance yet:

    When a peaceful speaker, whose message is constitutionally protected, is confronted by a hostile crowd, the state may not silence the speaker as an expedient alternative to containing or snuffing out the lawless behavior of the rioting individuals. Nor can an officer sit idly on the sidelines — watching as the crowd imposes, through violence, a tyrannical majoritarian rule — only later to claim that the speaker’s removal was necessary for his or her own protection. Uncontrolled official suppression of the privilege [of free speech] cannot be made a substitute for the duty to maintain order in connection with the exercise of that right.

    The case involved a group called the Bible Believers who used crude langauge (“Turn or Burn”) at an LGBTQ gathering. The judges continued in their opinion allowing the Bible Believers to speak:

    We do not presume to dictate to law enforcement precisely how it should maintain the public order. But in this case, there were a number of easily identifiable measures that could have been taken short of removing the speaker: e.g., increasing police presence in the immediate vicinity, as was requested; erecting a barricade for free speech, as was requested; arresting or threatening to arrest more of the law breakers, as was also requested; or allowing the Bible Believers to speak from the already constructed barricade to which they were eventually secluded prior to being ejected from the Festival.”

    “If none of these measures were feasible or had been deemed unlikely to prevail, the officers could have called for backup… prior to finding that it was necessary to infringe on the group’s First Amendment rights. We simply cannot accept Defendants’ position that they were compelled to abridge constitutional rights for the sake of public safety, when at the same time the lawless adolescents who caused the risk with their assaultive behavior were left unmolested.

    The understanding that law enforcement, or any institution, can turn first to shutting down speech that requires physical protection, has failed the courts’ tests in cases are diverse as Occupy and where a Christian group brought a pig’s head on a stick to a Muslim Arts festival.

    In sum, the court has long recognized that content-based regulation of speech in a public forum (the “health and safety” restrictions) is permissible only “to serve a compelling state interest” and only when the regulation “is narrowly drawn to achieve that end.”

    Bottom Line: An institution cannot cite avoiding public disruption as the initial or sole reason to restrict speech. The problems of having Ann Coulter speak on campus are outweighed by the obligation to protect free speech. Maintenance of the peace should not be achieved at the expense of the free speech. Getting rid of the speaker is expedient but unconstitutional. There are plenty of laws that legitimately protect against violence on their own.


    4. Speech Can or Should Be Restricted Based on Content (Hate Speech)

    There are no laws against “hate speech.” A speaker can call people names, and insult them by their race, sexual orientation or religious beliefs. What many people think and say is hateful. It is carefully thought out to inspire hate, to promote hate, to appeal to crude and base instincts. Indeed, that is their point. But there is no law or other prohibition against hate speech. Even restrictions on “hate speech” meant to prevent violence, often cited as the justification to restrict such speech, are by design extremely narrow.

    Short Answer: You cannot restrict hate speech. Free speech means just that, with any limited restrictions content-neutral.


    The Brandenburg case test precludes speech from being sanctioned as incitement to riot unless (1) the speech explicitly or implicitly encouraged the use of violence or lawless action; (2) the speaker intends that their speech will result in the use of violence or lawless action, and (3) the imminent use of violence or lawless action is the likely result of the speech. A hostile reaction of a crowd does not transform protected speech into incitement. Listeners’ reaction to speech is thus not a content-neutral basis for regulation, or for taking an enforcement action against a speaker.

    A second type of speech that is categorically excluded from First Amendment protection and often erroneously labeled hate speech are “fighting words.” This category of unprotected speech encompasses words that when spoken aloud instantly “inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.” No advocacy can constitute fighting words unless it is “likely to provoke the average person to retaliation.” Offensive statements made generally to a crowd are not excluded from First Amendment protection; the insult or offense must be directed specifically at an individual.

    The upshot is that apart from some very narrow definitions of violence-inducing words, the obligation exists to the concept of free speech independent of the content of that speech. This is also one of the most fundamental precepts of free speech in a democracy. There need be no protections for saying things that people agree with, things that are not challenging or debatable or offensive; free speech is not really needed for the weather and sports parts of the news. Instead, free speech is there to allow for the most rude, offensive, hateful, challenging stuff you (or your neighbor, your political party, your government) can imagine.

    This is why, in the midst of Berkeley seeking to ban Ann Coulter from campus, Elizabeth Warren said “Let her speak. If you don’t like it, don’t show up.” Same for Bernie Sanders, who said “What are you afraid of, her ideas? Ask her the hard questions. Confront her intellectually. Booing people down or intimidating people or shutting down events — I don’t think that that works in any way.”

    More? The ACLU also supports Coulter’s right to speak. And so the ACLU supports the rights of all groups, to include Nazis and the Klu Klux Klan, to speak.

    It should make a college age ACLU donor proud to know her $25 contribution helps both Black Lives Matter and the Klan to stand up and say what they think, but it apparently does not.

    The president of the Newseum goes as far as arguing some people have developed an “alternate understanding” of free speech, with students in particular believing “offensive” speech is or should not be protected, particularly when the offense is directed at groups defined by race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation.

    Ulrich Baer, vice provost for faculty, arts, humanities, and diversity, and professor of comparative literature at New York University, wrote plainly “Universities invite speakers not chiefly to present otherwise unavailable discoveries, but to present to the public views they have presented elsewhere. When those views invalidate the humanity of some people, they restrict speech as a public good. In such cases there is no inherent value to be gained from debating them in public.”

    Baer is worth quoting at length, because his views capture the view of many progressives toward the now-threatening concept of unfettered speech:

    The idea of freedom of speech does not mean a blanket permission to say anything anybody thinks. It means balancing the inherent value of a given view with the obligation to ensure that other members of a given community can participate in discourse as fully recognized members of that community. Free-speech protections — not only but especially in universities, which aim to educate students in how to belong to various communities — should not mean that someone’s humanity, or their right to participate in political speech as political agents, can be freely attacked, demeaned or questioned.

    He ends without irony this way:

    Freedom of expression is not an unchanging absolute. When its proponents forget that it requires the vigilant and continuing examination of its parameters, and instead invoke a pure model of free speech that has never existed, the dangers to our democracy are clear and present.

    Baer could not be more wrong. There is no legal or other justification for banning speech based on who it may offend or threaten, in fact, quite the opposite. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes declared unpopular ideas should have their opportunity to compete in the “marketplace of ideas.” Free speech is not an ends, it is a means, in a democracy.

    Justice Louis Brandeis held that people must discuss and criticize ideas, that free speech is not only an abstract virtue but also a key element that lies at the heart of a democratic society. Even the fact that speech is likely to result in “violence or in destruction of property is not enough to justify its suppression.” Brandeis concluded “the deterrents ordinarily to be applied to prevent” violence and disruption “are education and punishment for violations of the law, not abridgment of free speech.”

    Bottom Line: There is no justification for restricting speech so that people are not offended. Speech may offend, indeed that may be its point, but bad ideas are then defeated by better ideas.


    5. Free Speech Should Not Be Subject to the Heckler’s Veto

    Another argument used by some progressives is that the so-called Heckler’s Veto is in itself protected speech. Someone may have a right to speak, but someone else has the same right to shout them down and prevent them from being heard.

    Short answer: Free speech is not intended to mean whomever can literally “speak” the loudest gets to control what is said. The natural end of such thinking is mob rule, where Speaker A gets a bigger gang together to shout down the gang Speaker B controls.


    While protestors have an obligation not to abuse their rights of free expression by harassing or intimidating speakers in ways that unduly interfere with communication between a speaker and an audience, there does exist a balancing process.

    Agreed upon is that numerous legitimate ways exist to challenge speakers, including engaging them or ignoring them entirely. In contrast, using a Heckler’s Veto to keep unpopular speakers from expressing their views not only stifles a particular idea, but threatens to chill public discourse generally by discouraging others with controversial ideas from sharing them. Who wants to stand up only to be shouted down by a mob?

    The most insidious use of the Heckler’s Veto is to have audience members create a situation that compels law enforcement to shut down a speaker for them, abusing their own freedom of speech to get the government to shut down someone else’s. The law allows for law enforcement to act this way, but also makes clear it is wrong for “regulations to allow a single, private actor to unilaterally silence a speaker.”

    It is also quite sad to note the same tactic used at Middlebury College to silence speaker Charles Murray was employed during the civil rights movement when whites threatened violence if civil rights marches were permitted to take place. The tactic is also used by abortion foes to try and shut down clinics. The Supreme Court concluded the government’s responsibility in these circumstances is to control those who threaten or act out disruption, rather than to sacrifice the speaker’s First Amendment rights. Unfortunately, that was not what happened in Middlebury College, as Murray was run out of town for his own safety and the mob won.

    Bottom Line: Balancing the rights of the speaker, those who wish to hear them, and those who wish to protest is complicated. But simply shutting down one party entirely, or allowing one party to block the rights of the others, is wrong.


    Flipping the Argument

    It is hard today to be seen as defending the nasty words of a guy like Richard Spencer when one is defending his right to speak independent of what he says. It is easy for some in Trump’s America to claim the struggle against fascism overrules the old norms, that freedom must be defended and that defense justifies violence. Flipping an argument makes it easier to see the fallacy. So:

    So this guy beat the air out of this Black Lives Matter woman; she was spewing out hate speech, really racist stuff, and the guy acted in what he perceived as self-defense. Then some people who opposed Trump’s travel ban started calmly laying out their views on a street corner, and the same guy, who believes deep into his soul that Muslims are a threat to democracy and allowing them into America is a step toward fascism, got a bunch of his buddies together and by sheer force of numbers shouted down the pro-Muslim people, forcing them to run away for fear for their safety.

    Justification? The dude was pretty clear he was just exercising his First Amendment rights, that it was wrong for those protesters to have a platform and hey, he isn’t the government and the First Amendment only applies to the government. Sure violence is bad in isolation, but in defense of freedom, well, by any means necessary. While he was beating on the activists, he shouted he “understands the moral and practical limitations of wholly free discourse.”

    You get it.

    Free speech protection covers all the things people want to say, from the furthest left to the furthest right. You can burn a flag, display a nude body, fill a fish tank with urine and call it art, put on a KKK uniform and march past a Black church, and say whatever Richard Spencer says. Free speech means a lot of things, including that I can write this article, and you can say what you want about it and me. It is messy as hell, and it is our essential defense against fascism and control, whether from the left or the right.


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  • Recent Comments

    • Rich Bauer said...


      So the State Department considered “We Meant Well” hate speech? Or is the only real freedom we have is to be unemployed?

      06/1/17 2:53 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Okay, we get it. Hate speech, sticks and stones etc words will never hurt me. But stupid speech WILL be the death of US all.

      I worship Jesus, not Mother Earth. He calls us all to be good stewards of the planet, but doesn’t mean I have to care about global warming. —eric erickson, asshole supremUS

      06/1/17 7:55 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Is hate speech that makes US laugh really hate speech?

      Poor Sean Hannity, he got his feelings hurt.

      Satirical news site The Onion hit Sean Hannity where it apparently hurts by joking in a headline that “Hundreds Of Miniature Sean Hannitys Burst From Roger Ailes’ Corpse.”

      06/1/17 7:42 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...


      Ummmmmmmmm…… Professor…..??????

      I think I miss the point……. However…. I must ask…..is there a Good reason to restrict the freedom of speech?????….EVER ?????

      Or……. As a man, far wiser than all of us, once said……

      ” And finally, that Truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:”
      > Thomas Jefferson, 1786 ”

      Or….. As another very wise man said……..

      ” only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
      > Edmund Burke ”


      06/1/17 8:36 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...



      Actions speak louder than words. Speaking of evil and good men:

      There are two types of people in this world: there are those who want to help people and those who want to screw people.

      Why those bastards dont die at an early age is one of God’s way of screwing with us.

      06/1/17 10:21 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Of course God’s will be done,

      After all, this aint heaven, it’s earth..

      06/1/17 10:27 PM | Comment Link

    • Mitch said...



      I’ve always gone with ‘option 3 ‘…

      ‘Do the right thing… Then slap the ones who wouldn’t do the right thing ‘. (I’m thinking about bumper stickers or T-shirts ).


      06/1/17 11:55 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      I have stickers for stop signs that are red. They say “The WARS”. To be placed under STOP (in red color only).Post your mailing address and I will send one to you, unless address is 1600 or something like that. BDS…Have nice day…Peas

      08/10/17 3:44 PM | Comment Link

    • StarkNakedTruth said...


      “Free speech means a lot of things, including that I can write this article, and you can say what you want about it and me….”


      I may not agree with everything you write, but I respect your right to express yourself. I also appreciate the fact that you allow others to express themselves, without filters.

      And despite the fact that you and I are probably on opposite sides of the political thought arena, I agree with about 99.9% of everything you write.

      Weird how that works, huh?


      08/10/17 5:04 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Sorry Peter. Free Speech… STOP AIPAC. Free Palestine. BDS.

      08/10/17 8:12 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Is anyone afraid of Israeli Nukes and crazy people? Aipac? Stop Apartheid. BDS

      08/10/17 8:15 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...


      Actions speak louder than crazy talk.

      Trumpie speaking from his bunker somewhere in New Jersey after North Korea eliminated 100,000 of our military personnel in Guam and South Korea:

      “I want to thank Kim Jong Un because we’re trying to cut down on payroll, and as far as I’m concerned, I’m very thankful that he eliminated a large number of people, because now we have a smaller payroll, There’s no real reason for them to go back. So I greatly appreciate the fact that we’ve been able to cut our payroll of the United States. We’ll save a lot of money.”

      08/11/17 7:36 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Downsizing is a beach. There are profits to be made. Ask Clinton,Bush,Obama,and the new clown. Have a nice day!

      08/11/17 8:56 PM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Overheard in a bar: “Hey buddy (longed hair hippie) if you value living in the land of the free you’d better watch what you say.”

      08/11/17 9:59 PM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...


      Trumpie: Money talks and bullshit free speech walks.

      08/12/17 9:24 AM | Comment Link

    • RICH BAUER said...


      Speaking of bullshitter talks:

      President Donald Trump threatened military intervention in Venezuela Friday, a surprise escalation of Washington’s response to Venezuela’s political crisis that Caracas disparaged as “craziness.”

      “The people are suffering and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary,” Trump told reporters in an impromptu question and answer session.

      The Department of Defense issued a statement to CNN Pentagon Reporter Barbara Starr refuting President Donald Trump’s press conference Friday night.

      08/12/17 10:32 AM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      Poof! Have a nice day! Fear…Obey… Just Say No!

      08/12/17 3:46 PM | Comment Link

    • chuck said...


      google b.s. personal life. it is deleted.

      08/12/17 4:42 PM | Comment Link

    • john said...


      this :

      “Yet all of these most basic concepts of free speech in our nation are under threat, and too many of them are under threat from the left. I never thought I would write that last phrase”

      is astonishing to me. i found it to be a rather obvious truism.

      very different movies.

      08/16/17 12:34 PM | Comment Link

    • Nigel said...


      It’s time to rethink #4, plenty of fully functional democracies have rules on hate speech without chilling dissent and differing views. If people still think it’s ok to defend the promotion of hatred then it will continue. As was recently tweeted people are not born hating so why allow people to promote and educate others to hate. When hatred is viewed as socially despicable as peadophillia then we can start to find ways to move forward. Would you defend a ‘peadophile rights groups’ right to promote their views? I sincerely hope no, and not just because it’s promoting a criminal offense but because it is completely morally wrong. So why defend hate speech? I often see people write they may not support what racists say but they defend their right to say it. This only continues to allow the promotion of socially abhorrent views and behaviors. The dogma of free speech is enabling the continuation of hate so it’s time to make a change.

      08/19/17 3:13 PM | Comment Link

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      08/20/18 5:26 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      The Supreme Court ruled free speech that is a clear and present danger should be restricted. That would describe much of what Brennan spews. If anyone still has doubts about Deep State’s efforts to destroy the Trump administration, just watch all the ex-spooks fall in line.

      08/21/18 8:58 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Clear and present danger goes for Demented too.

      08/21/18 3:04 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      The very stable genius boasted he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. Cohen said he would take a bullet for the very stable genius.

      “I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself.”
      ― Oscar Wilde

      08/21/18 3:58 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Watching all the shoes dropping on Demented, the ONLY chance he has to get reelected is for Hillary to run against him again. I like his chances.

      08/21/18 6:35 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Free speech has little value when most of US have closed our doors and minds to different ideas that threaten our worldview.

      Cage: Master Sergeant Farell, you’re an American.
      Master Sergeant Farell: No, sir. I’m from Kentucky.

      – Edge of Tomorrow

      08/22/18 11:09 AM | Comment Link

    • John Poole said...


      Regrettably free speech means allowing some gay imam to convince a loser seventeen year old male that taking up arms against unbelievers will get him his own hot harem in the afterlife once he becomes a martyr. And what about the era of primitive social media misinformation? Saint Paul was pushing the fake news that a lowly carpenter was the son of god and experienced resurrection and that by subscribing to that carpenter’s heavenly website you too could have a blissful afterlife? Any chance of a logical argument discrediting that toxic false religion? Doubtful.

      08/22/18 11:15 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Religion is fine taken in moderation.

      “When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That’s my religion.”
      ― Abraham Lincoln

      “Anyone who thinks sitting in church can make you a Christian must also think that sitting in a garage can make you a car.”
      ― Garrison Keillor

      08/22/18 2:58 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Supreme irony: Trump’s Pecker is his undoing.

      08/22/18 10:24 PM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Demented really thinks he is a Don.

      08/23/18 9:44 AM | Comment Link

    • Rich Bauer said...


      Dons know better than free speech. Omertà.

      Why is it everyone associated with Donald Trump is a cheap crook? Birdbrains of a feather:

      – Paul Manafort, who was found guilty on eight criminal counts, including tax and bank fraud;

      – Fredo ” Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty to eight counts of tax evasion, lying to a bank, and campaign-finance violations, which he said were committed “in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office”;

      , – Duncan donuts Hunter, one of Trump’s earliest backers was accused of routinely using campaign funds to pay for a lavish lifestyle he couldn’t otherwise afford. Hunter was a founding member of the “Trump Caucus” during the 2016 campaign, and the second member of Congress to endorse Trump.

      – The insider Chris Collins, who as we know, was indicted on insider-trading charges earlier this month

      Yes, he attracts the best people…that money can buy.

      08/23/18 11:08 AM | Comment Link

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