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Thinking Ukraine: Is the dam about to break?
Is the dam about to break? Nope.
Look at what is actually fact: a whistleblower based on a transcript or summary says Trump made some unspecified “promise” in return for an investigation into Biden corruption. No details, no corroboration. Meanwhile, no one has claimed any investigation actually took place. The aid money was paid out weeks ago. Nothing actually happened in real terms. There was no Trump hotel built in Moscow.Everything else at this point is supposition, including the idea that the aid money is in any way connected to this. The media simply jumped on the claim “promises” were made and attached that to what may be a separate event, the temporary delay of the aid. Correlation is not causation.
And if you like leaks, The Wall Street Journal reported Trump repeatedly asked Zelensky in a July phone call to open an investigation into Hunter Biden but cited the same source claiming Trump did not offer a quid pro quo in the conversation.
I’ve got a whole column in editing now with details but trust me for now that it will be very hard for Congress to force Trump to release the whistleblower complaint or the call transcript. No documents, no impeachment.
Alternately, if the transcript/complaint actually exonerates Trump, he can dangle the Dems for a little longer and then release it, pretty much ending this.
Nothing Giuliani or Conway or even Trump says in TV really means anything. Under oath or GTFO. They’re clowns. Trump used them very effectively during Russiagate to throw up smokey chem trails for the media to chase, and that worked well for him.
To do anything other than impeachment theatre (remember poor Robert Mueller?) Dems would have to convince the American people (the real jury as the Senate is unlikely to vote to convict anything) whatever Trump said is so far outside the boundaries of foreign policy he needs to be impeached in the literal middle of an ongoing election. Regime change three years into his term.
Repubs will counter with everything naughty about Biden in 2015 Ukraine, quid pro quo with Clinton Foundation, and all the flops of Russiagate, etc. They have a lot to work with and the Dems have a three year track record of… a lot of noise.
Which side does your money go down on, never mind what you “want” to happen. Hope is not a strategy.
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Rich Bauer said...
1Given Rudy and Demented combined don’t have the brains of Squarepants, how difficult will it be to break the case? Senile Bob Mueller notwithstanding.
09/24/19 2:14 PM | Comment Link
Isabelle said...
2Russiagate was a flop because it is in fact Hungary, not Russia, which provides actual support for Trump, and Orban is the middleman between Trump and Putin. Prof Andras Gollner and Mr Gyorgy Lazar from the Hungarian Free Press are very well informed about what goes on in their native country and they write a lot re those shenanigans.
Quote:
In May 2017, the Hungarian Free Press published a three part series by one of our regular contributor’s Professor András B. Göllner. In his study, Dr. Göllner identified by name some of the hundreds of pro-Russian, alt-right bloggers who moved to Budapest, to provide fake-news copy for the big-data based cyber-operations engineered by Jared Kushner and Robert Mercer during the Trump campaign.
Quote:
Mr. Gorka is covering up, and whitewashing his decades long track record as an anti-democratic radical in Hungary.
It is a fact, and not fake news, that for almost two decades, and until very recently, Mr. Trump’s White House advisor, was a close associate of some of the most vicious anti-Semites and pro-Iranian radicals in Hungary, and of people who have deep ties to the Russian secret service.
Gorka’s track record began, with his first job with Ernő Raffay, Deputy Minister of Defense in Hungary’s first, freely elected post-communist government. Raffay was not only a former secret service stooge in Hungary’s one-party state, but is also well known as one of Hungary’s loudest anti-Semites. He has published many volumes during the past 5 years, blaming world-wide Jewry for the calamities that befell Hungary during the 20th century.
And already Trump’s Ukraine gaffe is being turned on its head by Trump’s professional propaganda team:
https://militaryveteransofdisqus.org/hammer-stop-calling-everything-an-impeachable-offense/
09/24/19 2:31 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
3While Trumpie may have peed the bed in Moscow, he shit the bed in the Ukraine. Since he knows there is evidence this time, his defense strategy now is Seinfeldian “So What, Not Like There is anything wrong with that.” You do recall where Seinfeld and the rest of crew ended, right?
09/24/19 2:31 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
4Donald Trump = Damn Turd Pol. Oh Donald, you really shit the bed. Now you are lying in it.
He has no character, so his name is his destiny.
09/24/19 3:18 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
5Jim Squarepants Comey reruns:
James Comey said in a radio interview Tuesday that he hopes President Donald Trump is not impeached because it means American voters would be “let off the hook.”
When asked about impeaching Trump, Comey answered that “as a citizen, I hope not because I think the American people would be let off the hook.”
No, Jim, you are the one. Your fishing expedition caught this flounder.
09/24/19 5:44 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
6Which side does your money go down on?
That is the $64 million question. Assuming the whistleblower defies his boss – er Trump and gets fired when he comes public with evidence that leads to Demented’s impeachment, he will make millions with his tellall book, not to mention he could replace the DNI Chief in Warrens administration. Or he could make nice change in a GoFundme site.
Place your bets. Trumpie is gonna get beaten in the homestretch.
09/24/19 9:44 PM | Comment Link
Kyzl Orda said...
7There might be one ‘rainbow’ in this sordid story. Suddenly, Congress now cares about whistle blower protection after being awol during the Bush-Cheney and Obama administrations.
Bolstering whistle blowers is needed because retaliation is real
09/25/19 2:28 AM | Comment Link
Kyzl Orda said...
8Our system is the real loser though. Both parties have been engaging foreign actors to dig up dirt on the other political party. Clinton’s team was involved in something early on in the last presidential campaign as well.
This should be illegal. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act should be the means to tackle corrupt practices. It’s telling that neither party is applying this — instead opting for operating in the shadows to do their own dirty wars. Worse, our officials engaging in this method are lawyers. They need to be disbarred regardless of party affiliation.
09/25/19 2:35 AM | Comment Link
Kyzl Orda said...
9“Given Rudy and Demented combined don’t have the brains of Squarepants, how difficult will it be to break the case? ”
Rich: These guys’ strengths are in obfuscation and lacking shame. Guiliani would be the Dean and Professor Emeritus if there were a Kardashian School for Policy and Exploitation.
Isabelle: It’s disturbing how warped the battle for ‘hearts and minds’ has evolved
09/25/19 3:00 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
10Kyzl,
Trumpie Squarepants won’t be satisfied with his global warming efforts until we are all under water. Now it is the UK rain that may put Bozo Boris chances under water. Both of these clowns are cartoon characters.
09/25/19 9:30 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
11It’s the Sopranos Squarepants Seinfeld Show
While the Trump crime organization spends time behind Barr, they will have lots of hard time to work on their comedy show.
09/25/19 10:59 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
12Demented and Sick Pence none the wiser imploring the UKraine to investigate corruption is the funniest thing I have heard. These guys have a future in Hollywood. They don’t have one in Washington.
09/25/19 11:19 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
13Squarepants on the Trumpie Ukraine fiasco:
Do you smell that? It’s smelly. That kind of smelly smell.
The fish rots from the head.
09/25/19 3:45 PM | Comment Link
John Poole said...
14“May you live in interesting times” may not be the curse associated with the phrase. It does keep your heart pumping quickly but as long as you know when to pull back from the brink of reading and pondering the insanity of today too you might still live a long life. Sure, your pulse rate might reach 140 for a steady ten minutes but then you acquire the wisdom to put things in proper historical perspective and bring it down to 75 or so.
09/25/19 6:34 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
15Betting sites report odds are Mob boss Trumpie will be impeached by Lent 2020.
09/25/19 7:02 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
16JP,
Didn’t realize Squarepants was so popular in your country.
According to English Russia, one of the most popular marching songs in the country’s military is the SpongeBob SquarePants theme. There’s video proof, too, of numerous troops marching to and singing the song, showing that this is definitely a thing.
09/25/19 7:19 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
17Rewrite
“I’ve got a whole column in editing now with details but trust me for now that it will be very hard for Congress to force Trump to release the whistleblower complaint or the call transcript. No documents, no impeachment.”
Yeah, about that…
09/25/19 8:16 PM | Comment Link
John Poole said...
18Bauer- it is highly doubtful that Trump will be convicted- impeached maybe. I think you’re counting on the beribboned gangsters running their protection racket at the Pentagon being clever and sometimes honest. Hell, they’ve been dealing under the table with the Ukrainian thugs now running the country for decades.
09/25/19 9:32 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
19JP,
The Dumbocrats are hoping the Repugnicans in the Senate keep the clown running the circus. It will hurt them in the purple states.
Ukrainian thugs? Gee, commies who sit in Putin’s houses should throw stones, comrade.
09/25/19 11:06 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
20When someone says “Trust me”, that person is usually not to be trusted.
09/25/19 11:25 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
21Rudy is in the running for the Bizarro World Ollie North Award, given to the Repugnican who was involved in an operation to deny weapons to a country to fight commies.
09/25/19 11:40 PM | Comment Link
Kyzl Orda said...
22Giuliani needs a lawyer, too
09/26/19 2:38 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
23Rudy is Trumps Rudolf Hesse.
09/26/19 8:09 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
24They shoot horse traitors
Trump, Pence, Rudy, Pompey, and the usual suspects
09/26/19 8:12 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
25Watching the Repugnicans raise the Barr on impeachment, one may conclude we are living in an alternate universe. How else to explain how their moral outrage got so LOST?
09/26/19 8:30 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
26The insanity defense does not apply in impeachment.
Insane Orange Clown: I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistle-blower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” he continued. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
Be careful what you wish for, traitor.
09/26/19 1:14 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
27The acting DNI is acting the fool on the Hill
“Did you talk with the president about the whistleblower
“
09/26/19 2:02 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
28“I cannot comment on whether I had any any discussions with the president.”
“Did you tell the president his identity?”
“Absolutely not.”
09/26/19 2:06 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
29There are not enough sponges to clean up this mess. Oh lordie, I hope there are tapes. There are computer records stored in a secret place of his other political secrets. It’s all onRudy’s phone, not so smart.
Trumpie threatened “spies” who ratted him out.
Trumpie threatened to take Pence down too.
Somebody please hide the nuke codes.
09/26/19 2:36 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
30Did Boss Trump put a contract on the spies in his circle?
09/26/19 5:33 PM | Comment Link
Procipius said...
31“Look at what is actually fact: a whistleblower based on a transcript or summary says Trump made some unspecified “promise” in return for an investigation into Biden corruption. No details, no corroboration.”
No, this is not a thing that can be called a fact. A fact is that we have leaked information that a whistleblower filed a charge with the Intelligence Community IG, which the IG found to be plausible and urgent. Later, a number of people seem to have claimed that the charge was related to Ukraine. We do not know if the charge is connected to that phone call to President Zelensky. It could be (and I think probably is) something much more serious. Or something entirely frivolous, which I think the phone call to Zelensky is.
09/26/19 7:47 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
32Wow, you are good. Haven’t seen such denial after caught in the act of fucking your country since Guide to the Married Man.
09/27/19 8:31 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
33Trump called senile Mueller and begged him to investigate him again.
09/27/19 9:05 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
34Speaking of movie remakes:
“Donald” – Trumpie suffers a severe stroke during a playmate rendezvous, leaving him in a coma. Putin convinces a Russian lookalike Agent to impersonate the President, He Fools everyone including First Lady who leads a separate life, rarely seeing the President. But things go sideways when the Russian freaks about spies in his inner circle and Putinlike threatens him with death.
09/27/19 9:24 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
35Oh damn, the dam done broke.
If FOX cared about this country it would tell Demented:
You ain’t Putin and this sure ain’t Russia. If we threaten anyone with death, SWAT is gonna break down your door.
09/27/19 9:51 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
36Peter is lucky Trump wasn’t president when he blew the whistle.
09/27/19 10:10 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
37Speaking of remakes, a film about some Orange Clown who threatens to kill a member of the Deep State:
ENEMY OF STATE and THE CIA and THE FBI
09/27/19 11:30 AM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
38Trumpie appealing to his base:
“You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
Learned that from his KKK father:
“You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
09/27/19 12:10 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
39Demented, your KKK slip is showing.
“Savages”, by which the racist means minorities.
09/28/19 4:00 PM | Comment Link
Rich Bauer said...
40Do you really expect impeachment could result in “Regime change three years into his term?”
Sick Pence none the wiser will assume the position, unless he too is up to his ears with mother…Russia.
Trumpie can run again, unless he is impeached(unlikely) and convicted (very unlikely) before the election.
Or is this just FoX fan fiction, Peter, the boy who cried wolf? If it walks like a duck…
If you listen very carefully, you’ll hear the duck quacking inside the wolf’s belly, because the wolf in his hurry had swallowed her alive.
09/28/19 5:52 PM | Comment Link